CONFLICTING MESSAGES FROM NATO AND EU

CONFLICTING MESSAGES FROM NATO AND EU

As readers here can tell, over this past week I've been largely concentrating on geopolitical stories, particularly those that seem to have been due to blowback and implications from the American presidential election/referendum. In this respect, there are three articles that caught my attention this week, because they are sending out mixed messages. They were shared, respectively, by Mr. E.O., Mr. T.M., and Ms. C:

‘Russia is not our enemy’ – NATO Navy Commander

The EU is pursuing defense policies that rely less on the US after Trump's win

European Union Confirm EU Army Will Launch In 2017

Let's start with the last article first. Notably, the expressed reason for creating a "pan-European" military is the BREXIT vote, which, as we'll see, is probably nonsense, but a convenient way for the EU globaloney crowd to continue pouting and to strengthen their hand in the difficult negotiations ahead. The real reasons are expressed in the second article, namely, the election of Donald Trump. To be sure, this constitutes another convenient excuse, for the idea of a common European military has been the goal all along. Mr. Trump simple affords an excuse to "speed the process up", as a common military gives a bureaucratic reason and glue to keep the otherwise faltering EU together.

From a strategic point of view, the creation of a European army is necessary, at least, if the EU's pretensions to being the "third way" or "third superpower" between the US and Russia (or, depending on one's lights, China), are to have any weight. With the loss of Great Britain to the project, Europe's sole remaining acknowledged thermonuclear power is France, although most regular readers here are aware that I personally think Germany is also a thermonuclear power, a thing kept relatively quiet by the corporate globalist media, perhaps in the name of political "expediency." More importantly, the European powers individually have neither the strategic depth of a Russia, China, USA or even Brazil, nor do any of them individually have a population base of more than 100 million. If Europe is to project deterrent power of a conventional military nature to any of the powers that do have these things, it simply will require a military on a large population base, and that is only possible with an integrated European military.

The effectiveness of such a military integration, however, is in doubt. It will require integrated armaments industries (a step towards which was taken with recent mergers of French and German armaments concerns in a kind of modern version of a Schneider Creusot-Krupp monster, if one can imagine such a thing; the Airbus consortium of companies already being a framework for potential collaboration in aerospace military matters, and of course there's the "Eurofigher"), but more importantly, a way to manage efficiently the units of so many different nationalities and languages. Think of it as a kind of Imperial and Royal Austro-Hungarian army, on steroids, probably similarly based on two "official languages", in this case, not German and Hungarian, but rather German and French. And of course, all this will mean further erosions of national sovereignty in Europe, and in the current political climate, that could become very problematic. Does the average Frenchman want decisions for war or peace being made by Brussels bureaucrats, given their track record of abject failure in other areas affecting France? The same could be applied to every other country in the EU. If the EU, conversely, should break up, then one can expect the other European powers, Germany and Italy, to dramatically expand their militaries, and perhaps even to "go nuclear". Already Germany has announced a tripling of its military, regardless of what anyone else, including Brussels, does.

All this occurs amid the backdrop of the first story that appeared in RT, "Russia is not our enemy- NATO Navy Commander", which I find the most interesting, intriguing, and suggestive of them all. Note that these statements were made by NATO's maritime commander, British Royal Navy Vice Admiral Clive Johnstone:

NATO does not see Russia as its enemy but is, rather, trying to “understand” Moscow’s motives and protect its own interests at the same time, the alliance’s Navy Commander, Vice Admiral Clive Johnstone, said at a NATO parliamentary assembly in Istanbul.

“Russia can develop and deploy its fleet to any areas, but NATO does not intend to stop it. Russia is not our enemy and we have no desire to get involved in a new Cold War,” Johnstone said, as cited by the Turkish Anadolu news agency.

“NATO is trying to understand Russia, and not to hurt its own interests at the same time,” he added, stressing that “some Baltic States, which are the NATO members, are meticulous about their territorial waters.”However, the vice admiral went on to accuse Russia of “escalating tensions instead of controlling the situation,” even going so far as to say that Russia is apparently trying to create a new world order.

Meanwhile, Moscow had offered to host a meeting of military experts that would have been dedicated to the issue of security in the Baltic region, but the proposal was rejected by the alliance, Russia’s envoy to NATO, Aleksandr Grushko, said, while noting that the number of flights made by NATO’s military aircraft in the region exceeds that made by Russia’s by many times.

While Vice Admiral Johnstone does accuse Russia of trying to create "a new world order," it is interesting that he stresses Russia is "not the enemy." Any way one reads this, this is a carefully threaded needle, one designed both to placate the anti-Russia hysteria coming out of the American neo-con globaloney crowd, and at the same time, to indicate that perhaps many in the British oligarchy don't think of things in quite the same fashion. When British vice admirals say things like this, I tend to take notice. After all, if anyone has centuries of experience in geopolitical and military matters, it would be the Royal Navy.

Which puts all that European Common Military talk - the Austro-Hungarian Imperial and Royal military on steroids - into an even more intriguing context, for as I've long noted, such a military would be Europe's way of leveraging NATO, and getting out from underneath the thumb of America's decisive policy influence in the organization. And with Trump's election, the pressure is on Europe in any case.  Vice Admiral Johnstone's comments, viewed in this context, appear to be saying in carefully couched rhetorical what everyone is already thinking, but afraid to say: NATO's days are numbered.

See you on the flip side...

38 thoughts on “CONFLICTING MESSAGES FROM NATO AND EU”

  1. Another great intellect and analyst of geo-politics who I’m sure is on the elite’s s**t list is William F. Engdahl who was just interviewed on what to expect out of the Trump administration and the history of him. I would say it’s not so flattering. A word of caution and really a warning about the foreign policy forces behind Trump. I hate to break the news to Rogue Money readers (which I am passionately one of) but people like Michael Flynn and others telling Trump what to do in foreign affairs and who whisper sweet nothings in his ear are as pathologically committed to destroying Russia as much as those in the Bush Jr. and Obama administrations. After all Flynn co-authored a book with Michael Ledeen who is an uber neo-conservative who really hates Iran and will do everything for Israel. These Trump neo-cons just will go about it much differently. They first need to peel Russia away from their natural allies China and Iran with deals like ending the sanctions while at the same time weakening those two nations. Then once China and especially Iran are taken care of then it’s in for the kill on Russia. It’s called divide and conquer and is old as the Roman Empire. This is what they hope but seriously I don’t think they’ll get away with it. Putin and the leadership are not that naive. But try they will. With arch villain Kissinger meeting with Trump what else would you think.

    So please everyone listen to Engdahl’s interview. It really clarified a lot to me and it was a real epiphany. I’m not the same after listening to it. Engdahl is not a liberal democratic party zombie and he has no dog in this race. He comes to geo-politics with an independence and with no ax to grind.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WEe5Q0NxKsE

  2. WD – I understand your concerns. There are cults out there that mock the crucifixion and so on and no doubt some that mock the 33rd and one reason for the adage “no pearls before swine”. I’m no longer active in any of the various rites, York, Scottish, and so on. It is a “knife and fork” organization anymore. My great grandfather rode with Garibaldi so its in my blood but it has truly lost its spirit and my ancestors are probably turning in their graves. Hope this clears some of the fog. Thanks for the response. db

  3. I used to study military strategies and tactics. Back in WWII, a prime way of winning a battle was to aim your offensive ‘spear tip’ right at a place where two nations’ forces abutted. You could drive a wedge between them, based on confusion in language, tactics, equipment, and response time. The Soviets were particularly good at this, often driving-between, say, German and Italian forces. Break-through at that point, and roll-’em-up…

    If it ever came down to a non-nuclear ground confrontation, the EU forces would be particularly vulnerable to the above strategy. Any competent Russian commander would just target one (or several) of these weak-points and charge.

    Not to mention, the Russians (Soviets) were notorious for being willing to take massive casualties for some objective. I am not sure any EU army (sub-armies) is ready for ‘meat grinder’ warfare….

  4. Robert Barricklow

    They want to discard the military ties to Washington[except the Nazi ones?]. They would like to call their own shots[at least the 4th Reich?] And, yes – how does CERN play into this new militarization of the unwilling?[you the PIGS and other nations being lead to the slaughter financialization house].

    1. sandygirl, notice the word fiction, the youtube channel name and the fact that no other sites anywhere mention this? including the bbc?

      looks like more “war of the worlds” psyop. orson wells would be impressed. btw, that psyop never stopped.

      more directly it looks like the wolves are feinting left, right, forward and back in effort to get the sheep primed up for when they’re not feinting. they can either get their war on or they can get their war against uncensored news on. or both.

  5. It’s always politicians who start wars, or talk about starting one. These military officials have to have their tongues removed, and then we may have peace.

    1. ET .. only recently I sent out (via email) to our Gizar group how I felt these “parasites” should be dealt with ..
      No.1 .. SWIFT removal of tongues
      No.2 .. 300 of “them” stuffed on OLD ex trawler about 120 ft in length (riddled with rust and way beyond an insurance job) ..
      No.4 .. Sail (or tow) down into the middle of the Tasman Sea .. half way between N.Z. and Antarctica ..
      No 5 .. Vessel placed on grapple until the silence is TRULY deafening ..
      No 6 .. No food, water or children to be provided ..
      No 7 .. Only provisions .. crates of Bundaberg rum (“there’s a fight in every bottle”) .. shirt loads of guns .. limitless ammo .. Problem solved within 7 days …
      No 8 .. Return or tow back to port and repeat process ..

        1. Zendog .. No 3 … castration (but you can let your imagination run riot) so no one is bigger than anyone else .. we must have a level playing field .. None of this “all hands on de(i)ck stuff ..

  6. As for the Europe’s “space arm”, at the meeting on 1 December of the continent’s ministers in Lucerne, Switzerland, the European Space Agency will request an annual budget of 11 million euro and discuss, among other things, the Exomars project.

  7. Two points here: 1) who materially would want to join such an army and not just be temporarily seconded to it; 2) the space factor.
    1) Some sort of multinational force might be cobbled together and called the “European Army” but I can’t think of any Italian man or woman aged 18-30 I know, or know of, who would want to join such an entity. I think the same applies in other countries. where for most recruits being in the armed forces means service to one’s country in the broad sense, without going into the finer points of to what extent the word country actually means one or more oligarchies, which may or may not have at heart the wellbeing of the citizens of that country. It would have to be unified by the top, as you say, citing the Austro-Hungarian model. Could such a model succeed on a proactive basis, i.e. because it seems to be so attractive (like Bonaparte’s Grande Armée), or would it need to be a reaction to some perceived threat? And if the latter, what kind of threat would need to be bandied about?
    2) If space is the new high ground in geo-cosmopolitics – Europe in the wider sense, and not the Brussels bureaucrats – does have the European Space Agency and, more ominously, CERN – to its credit. Who is going to contol the ESA and CERN is the question; inevitably, Germany is the key player here. And given the ESA cooperation with Russia, the Russo-German alliance that makes the Anglosphere bosses lose sleep is actually already in place.

  8. The fantasy called Europe is at it again. What is the territorial borders and it’s culture-arts. Russia can define theirs Europe and the USA can’t or haven’t bothered to do so. If they had any brains they could have fuse together NATO and the Warsaw Pact or dissolved NATO when the Warsaw Pact disbanded they did neither. When o when will the tribal chiefdoms of Europe get their act together and stop playing their stupid games.

  9. Well I find it solid thinking. After all, finally all arabs will also have shiny nuclear toys, an Isis army on steroids in Europe. What could go wrong!!

    Or who do those nuthead bureacrats think is going to enlist? The people who live there of course which after 3 decades of import is radically changed into a other demographic of peoples.

    Food and language won’t be a problem and the poor sods not of arabic decent will be forced to adapt exactly how it is now.

    Can you blame me rooting for Marine Le Pen or Geert Wilders to change our EU course heading! The break up of the EU, regardless of monetairy problems and hardships there after, seems more palatable for me.

  10. I would just love to see the Russian honeytraps this British naval commander has waiting for him back at his residence.

  11. I doubt an EU army would ever work. For starters, they would never even agree upon what food to serve the joined soldiers in the mess hall. Could you imagine the bickering that would result over the selection of wine and cheese for dinner? And then you start doling out nuclear weapons to the individual countries for a joint nuclear umbrella? That would be a disaster. Wait until the World Cup rolls around and Italy looses a semi-final to France on a bad call. How do you think the Italians will respond? That’s right– with nukes.

    I’m not sure why the EU army would even need nukes when they have the CERN war weapon in their midsts. I’m not going to even begin to claim I understand how it could be used as a weapon but I imagine it could be used to swallow Russia, China or North America into a giant sink hole, or maybe suck them into never-never land by way of a man made black hole. Perhaps they could even be pelted to death by particle bombardment. The point is: the EU is just fine without nukes.

    What they need to work on is finding a way to unify the continent once and for all and get rid of their age old rivalries. Thus, I suggest a Fourth Way: mass conversion of Europe to Islam. Turn all of Europe into a Caliphate. There could be no cultural differences if all of Europe had to conform to Islamic dress codes and worship. Considering the way half of the European population embraces Islam, perhaps this is the kind of stifling, soul-numbing ideology they secretly crave. Maybe European women are tired of having to be fashionable on a daily basis and would enjoy the liberation of just garbing themselves in burkas every day. Maybe European men will feel like they can finally get control of their women once again. And the beautiful abandoned Christian churches, the great legacy of European culture, could now bloom once again as mosques. Even the great western music could be transposed into hymns about Allah and Mohamed (until that time when all remnants of infidel culture can be eradicated). Could you imagine Germans now emboldened with jihadist ideology?

    1. Curious how quickly the US empire begins to fold as Russian mafia bagman Donald Trump gets control of the reigns of power in the US. I suspect the Russians have a plan for conquering western Europe as well. I suppose we should be thankful that Vladimir Putin may be halting the reconstitution of Sauron, that is: the fascist IG Farben monster in our midst. But who will replace Putin one day? Russia has had no shortage of evil, tyrannical leaders. Perhaps what this new Russian empire, composing now both Europe and North America, needs a leader with roots in all continents. Perhaps this leader is none other than Baron Trump, son of American Donald Trump and European Melania Trump, and godson of the Russian mafia. Could he be groomed to one day be Vladimir Putin’s ideological son as well? Time will only tell. Certainly he has been named for leadership. But can the world handle a leader who is on the spectrum?

      1. Vomitos, Putin has already banned GMO crops in Russia, I’m sure that it’s to ensure that IG Farbensato can’t get a grip on the country. I’m sure that memories are long in Russia and they have 25 millions reasons not to trust that Nazi Left Over.
        When you see that the leaders in China have their own 100% bio farms to ensure that they’re food contains no pesticides.. (roundup??) and no GMO foods… again.. Monsanto…>:c

    2. Vomito … LMAO .. I wonder what you think whilst hanging out the washing .. mowing the lawn or scanning the weekly specials at “Coles” (15 cents off RRP .. now it’s “special”) but god .. you ALWAYS crack me up .. thanks for the laughs .. Fantastic !!

    3. Speaking of CERN:

      The first ‘nano’ black hole that is collisionally-produced in the vacuum-tube and falls into-and-through the tube (via gravity) before ‘evaporating’ will result in the death of Earth as we know it. Not just locally; everything. The ‘nano’ black hole will ‘bulk-up’ every time it drops through Earth, consuming as it goes. Eventually, there will be one Earth-mass black hole…

      The first atomic bomb possibly setting off a chain reaction and igniting our atmosphere was nothing. A ‘nano’ black hole escaping confinement is incredibly more dangerous. This type of research might be the answer to Fermi’s question, “Where are they?”

  12. Since the ruling families of Europe are losing their grip on their vassel US military giant, they are now forced to create their own to try and conquer the planet for their NWO. I guess the US isn’t the head of the new Babylon after all, the new Babylon’s head rests in Europe and always has, now its attempting to grow and spread its own war hawk wings over its diminishing empire.

  13. The EU is pushing an army in the same way very old rich people try to buy away the grim reaper with expensive projects — in the hope it will keep them alive. No one in their right minds wants the Brussels caviar Bolsheviks running a continental military force.

    Also, there’s always the “very good reason” to ramp up military to pump the economy with non-productive spending. Arms and logistics contractors and big aeronautical firms love this, as we all know. So why not cultivate more of this in Europe?

    But of course to justify all this, first you need an enemy. So Russia, which straddles 11 time zones and covers some 33 million square kilometres of the earth’s surface, must be accused of coveting Latvia. Sure, I’ll buy that.

      1. I saw the Breitbart article and am aware of the Molly McCauley, also. At the most conservative level we could say that if both stories are linked to Breitbart’s death their linkage tells us he was in pursuit of multiple stories that would be disastrous for those concerned. They could also be linked in a more direct way.

        At a higher level, the Pizzagate story sounds like an extension of the Franklin Scandal. The circumstances related to that scandal resulted in the closure of one point of access and the need to create another. Pizzagate sounds like one of those offshoots, but I suspect more than one was in operation both then and now. The more one looks at Pizzagate and the players the stranger the story gets. With the arrest of Terence Bean in Oregon on charges of child rape charges things go from the strange to the truly bizarre. In the meantime the attention here is focused not on Pizzagate and Bean but on the OSU shooter and his ties to immigration… How convenient is that?

    1. This is the latest “conspiracy” or “fake news” here in the States. People started talking about it on Reddit which then banned the discussion, meanwhile allowing a pedophile section to continue on their site. This is on such a massive scale, international, with lots of very powerful people involved… and lots of people who are now being blackmailed due to their involvement. We are talking satanic culture as well as the Masonic movement which acts as if it is completely untouchable (of course it is as long as it murders everyone who attempts to bring light to the sickness). Personally, I don’t think we will ever be able to develop a peaceful loving society until we purge ourselves of these creatures.

      1. What is your basis for comparing vile creatures like the Clintons, et al with freemasons? It goes against everything masonry stands for and those who are masons involved in this stuff are not really freemasons. They are an abomination to freemasonry, who are the good guys in this screwed up world. P2 is not a legitimate lodge if that’s the basis, and certainly what occurs with the police in England is not conduct of a true freemason. There are vile people in every organization since the advent of time and that will never change and if there is any hope for us, it will be with Templar and masonic principles…. and not religion and its many myths. Sorry for the rant, but people need to do a little research regarding masonry and not be drawn in by the internet crackpot religious creeps. db

        1. While I agree with your sentiments for 99.9% of Freemasons, I’m not so sure about those 33rd degree (and above?). You’re talking about a very exclusive club there.

  14. Oops.. should have waited an hour before responding on the last thread.

    For info, UKIP is now considering the Evil Dictators Putin/Assad, or PutAss as they are referred to by the People press.
    Turkey is rolling into Syria on the Rebel’s side.. (didnt Putin Put Erdogan back in his place a few months back for shooting down an SU-24… exactly the same model of airplane as the one that put the Donald Trump.. errr Cook into EM limbo a couple of years ago.. Perhaps the Turks were hoping to find a Jibiny aboard..

    And for cannon fodder.. You cant watch an hour of TV (not that I do) in France atm without seeing a commercial telling you how great your life will be if you sign up in the Army..

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