Watching the geopolitical fallout from the American referendum has been almost impossible, for in these past few days I've received a veritable tsunami of emails containing articles that people have noticed and passed long, and I'm still sorting through them! But this one caught my eye for it clearly indicates that some of that fallout will be strongest in Europe. I've been of the opinion that President-elect Trump's victory will have geopolitical consequences, first and foremost in Europe. On the one hand, I've been of the opinion that his victory will give support and strengthen the anti-globalist movement in Europe, particularly in nations such as Austria, the Netherlands, France, Germany, Italy, and Spain, that have been crushed by a flood of refugees from the Islamic world. There's no reason to rehearse what the effects of this has been, for we have seen the stories. In Great Britain, of course, we had the BREXIT referendum, and the ongoing attempts in that country of the globaloneyists and corporatists to undo it by stonewalling and attempting to dilute it.

But to sum all this up, in general, this now world-wide movement appears to have a major though underlying theme or conceptual core, and that is "anti-centralism." The larger and more centralized the "governmental and bureaucratic solution" is, the more inept, clumsy, and removed from local-on-the-ground reality it becomes. Indeed, Mr. Globaloney has been engaged on an experiment for the past few decades - really the past century or more, but certainly ramped up since the administration of US President G.H.W. Bush in the late 1980s and early 1990s, and proceeding apace under Clinton, Bush II, and Obama - an experiment precisely in such massive centralization. The reason is simple: the more such political and bureaucratic power is consolidated and centralized, the less say "ordinary people" have. In other words, if you think your big federal governments in Berlin or Paris or Rome or Madrid or Washington (i.e., fill in your favorite globaloneyist-occupied capital here) are tyrannical and unresponsive, just wait until you see the same thing on a truly planetary basis! It's merely a way for the corrupt global corporate mafias to secure their own power.

The trouble is, this experiment has no precedent in human history: in other words, there's not a shred of evidence that such a scheme can actually work, unless of course one wants to go back to some ancient texts, and there the outcome is always the same: the attempt didn't work, usually because "someone else" stepped in and put a stop to it. In my secret space program talks and in my book Covert Wars and Breakaway Civilizations, I've called this the "Tower of Babel Moment," that uneasy period of transition to a genuinely global society, during which the powers that be must play their card game very carefully so as to avoid any such "repeat." Notably, in those ancient stories, the goal was centralization, and that could be taken to be at least in part the cause and motivation for the "intervention."

The bottom line here in Europe's case is that President-elect Trump's victory can, and I think will, fuel that anti-centralizing impulse we see emerging on the political scene in Europe.

But it can also fuel the centralizing impulse of the Euro-technocrats themselves, as this important article, shared by Mr. J.C., also points out:

Europe needs own army, can’t rely on US forever – EU Commission President

As noted, the European commission president Mr. Juncker - and don't you just love the fact that the president of the European Commission's surname recalls those Prussian Junckers of yesteryear? (And where's your Pickelhaube, Herr Juncker? You seem oddly out of uniform, and I'll be you have one!) - anyway, to get back to the main point here. The European Commission President Mr. Juncker is now calling for a trans-European army:

Europe should build its own army and not rely on security guarantees from Washington, the European Commission president said following the election of Donald Trump. At the same time, Jean-Claude Juncker called for the preservation of the transatlantic partnership.

Speaking in Berlin about the future of Europe sometime around 2050, Juncker had to ad lib, admitting that his speech had been written with the assumption that Hillary Clinton would be the victor of the US presidential race. But reflecting on the unexpected outcome of Trump’s presidency, Juncker said that “regardless” of who is the US president, the EU and the US must work together. (Emphasis added)

Notably, Mr. Juncker composed his speech thinking Mrs. Clinton would emerge victorious. And that's a strong indicator that the European army project was all business-as-usual for Mr. Globaloney, and part and parcel of the policies that Darth Hillary would have been on board with.

But I submit that Mr. Trump's own campaign rhetoric gives even more oxygen to this centralizing fire, for his insistence on US allies doing more for their own self-defense, and for his willingness to re-examine NATO. So on the one hand, his victory aids and strengthens the anti-centralizing tendency at the popular level, and on the other strengthens the centralizing tendency of the Eurocrats in Berlin and Brussels.

This should not dissuade those movements in Europe trying to address issues of the preservation of their national sovereignty or cultural identity. However, it does mean that they will have to begin to address the wider issues of their own defense and security without feeding the beast of Brussels any further, for a trans-European military would be, in its hands, a way to bait-and-switch and keep a firm hold on national domestic policies.

So what's my high octane speculation here? It's just this: No doubt the leaders - Geert Wilders of The Netherlands, Marine le Pen in France, the AfD in Germany - of those movements and parties in Europe are already aware of this, and are already having those discussions. My prediction? Watch those parties begin to incorporate statements about defense and security into their platforms, and to begin coupling the refugee crisis to the issue of security and defense. If they do this, it will make the position of their political opposition, the globaloneyists in Berlin, Paris, and Brussels, not to mention Rome and Madrid, all that much more difficult to maintain, for a trans-European army infested with cells of radicals from the Middle East will simply be inoperable.

See you on the flip side...

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Joseph P. Farrell

Joseph P. Farrell has a doctorate in patristics from the University of Oxford, and pursues research in physics, alternative history and science, and "strange stuff". His book The Giza DeathStar, for which the Giza Community is named, was published in the spring of 2002, and was his first venture into "alternative history and science".


  1. rich overholt on November 19, 2016 at 5:19 am

    ” Don’t follow leaders. ”

  2. DanaThomas on November 17, 2016 at 6:20 am

    Joseph rightly said that these experiments never work. Here is another confirmation with the pro-government German newspaper Die Welt proposing Merkel as “leader of the free world” – the mind boggles

  3. zendogbreath on November 17, 2016 at 12:13 am

    ok that was too detailed.

    the feeling i get is that we’re all being swept into one big boat that mr global (aka the octopus) gets to sit safely under with tentacles firmly grasping both sides. and now mr global octapus gets to rock the boat harder and harder left to right to left. meanwhile the occupants blame each other for rocking the boat willfully blind to the fact that mr globoctopus is doing all the rocking. if the occupants don’t get pushed out of the boat by each other, the occasional tentacle-slap gets the job done. and there are plenty o predators waiting down there along with mr gloctopus.

    • zendogbreath on November 17, 2016 at 12:17 am

      kinda similar to what gloctopussy did to post soviet states during that controlled demolition we call the collapse of the ussr. anyone here up to date on dmitry orlov?

    • zendogbreath on November 17, 2016 at 12:19 am

      i wonder. does that make trump the yeltsin who gives all the ussa’s wealth away to globpus? guess obama would be gorbachev?

      • goshawks on November 17, 2016 at 5:24 am

        ZDB, that is a VERY interesting observation. With the Presidency, Congress (both the House of Representatives and the Senate), and the Supreme Court (once the ninth judge is vetted and in) ALL controlled by the Republicans (effectively, the neocons/banksters), we could see Major laws change with breathtaking speed. In a sense, we will see whether Trump is a ‘Yeltsin’ by what veto power he chooses to wield or not wield…

    • DanaThomas on November 17, 2016 at 6:22 am

      “Gloctopus” lol

  4. zendogbreath on November 17, 2016 at 12:09 am

    watched a bit of stephen colbert tonight and last night. he interviewed bernie too. compared to vb, colbert sucks. pretty clearly colbert and jon stewart were the good cops to mr global’s hegelian dialectic brain jamming of us peeps. curiouser and curiouser what stewart, colbert et al kept very far away from. and what obvious houses of cards they rampagingly knocked down. now we’re all being selected to be for or against us/them whether we like it or not – only now not so much for an external war where our heroes get economically drafted and shipped out so we can’t see the obscene abuse they endure and cause. this time around it appears the problems will be a tad more domestic.

    and probalby involve some of our heroes who survived those first rounds of military abuses that cause greater suicide casualties than the actual casualties of military conflict.

    so the feeling i get through all this is that trump is going all right while the most accurate libs (colbert and stewart et al) in lamestream media go all left and they each try to sweep up everyone who is not lamestream right and left. the goal is to get everyone classified as either right, alt right, left, alt left or obscenely unpatriotic to point of intolerent and intolerable. if you defend yourself capably, your either criminal or alt right or alt left. if you lay down and take the pogrom, your lamestream left or right

  5. goshawks on November 16, 2016 at 8:50 pm

    In the moment, I’m with WD and the Problem->Reaction->Solution model. Trump will have to prove himself “not-owned” before my hackles come down.

    But, there are those ‘summonings’ to the extreme South that have happened. Will the Summoner please stand up? There is just not enough real ‘data’ to form a clear picture…

    • WalkingDead on November 16, 2016 at 10:26 pm

      Yes, this all seems a bit too coincidental. They are playing some of their high cards: race (BLM), Hitlery’s/DNC attempt at overturning the electoral college, and the Trump card. Makes you wonder what nefarious BS they are attempting to push through buried in all the noise and unreported in the MSM.
      The climate accord may be one of them, they are telling Trump it’s too late to back out since Obama signed us up for it, but congress has yet to approve it, so that’s a lie. There’s also this mandatory vaccination legislation and its associated medical tyranny. Who knows what else is being covertly pushed through.
      Hope for the best, plan for the worst.

      • WalkingDead on November 16, 2016 at 10:35 pm

        • Don B on November 17, 2016 at 9:13 am

          Just more Jew bashing by the rag VT. So what else is new. db

        • goshawks on November 17, 2016 at 7:12 pm

          Don B: It’s funny; what I saw as thoughtful information-roundup, you saw as Jew bashing. Each to their own…

        • Don B on November 17, 2016 at 7:35 pm

          Goshawks…. not you, the VT writers. I enjoy your posts. Keep up the good work.

        • goshawks on November 17, 2016 at 11:47 pm

          Don B: Thanks. And I agree with you about the ‘variability’ of VT writers. Many make me cringe, and are demonstrably wrong. Others make me go ‘hmmm’. Caveat emptor (“Let the buyer beware”)…

      • Lost on November 20, 2016 at 9:33 am


        Haven’t seen Hillary or the DNC trying to overturn the Electoral College.

        But this is yet again a popular vote loss by the “winner”. Until, 2000, that had been very unusual in presidential elections. And that 2000 “winner”, was forced upon the world. (Like 2000, too, exit polls show Hillary winning the Electoral College in 2016, only this time it’s more states than only Florida. However, Hillary’s not pushing for a recount.)

        • Joseph P. Farrell on November 21, 2016 at 3:53 pm

          I strongly suspect that popular vote may be composed of a large part of fraud, mostly for Darth Hillary, and therefore strongly suspect those exit polls, like the pre-election polls, were grossly slanted in her favor. I suspect that popular vote “lead” may be fraudulent as well, and hence that may be a reason she hasn’t contested anything.

  6. Daryl Davis on November 16, 2016 at 7:56 pm

    • Lost on November 17, 2016 at 3:21 pm

      Right, you’ll need to link the requested CL postings, they’re supposed to be easy to find. I don’t read Alex Jones.

      And remember the single link posted by WD was a reproduction, which could be a real CL ad, but it says nothing about Soros (or any organizer) just by way of example.

      • Daryl Davis on November 17, 2016 at 3:51 pm

        Lost, I frankly don’t feel a strong need to convince you one way or another. I just provided the links as a strong indication, not as proof, that Soros may be funding these protests. If you merely accept that he runs the Open Society Foundations, which according to its own website maintains projects in over 100 countries and gave $33 million to Black Lives Matters, and combine this with his having been mentioned over 60 times in Podesta’s hacked emails, a natural conclusion could be drawn that the funding of these protests is something he WOULD do, something he would find critical to achieving his foundations ultimate goals:
        “The sovereignty of states must be subordinated to international law and international institutions.”
        “We need some global system of political decision-making. In short, we need a global society to support our global economy,” Mr. Soros wrote. (Washington Times, Oct. 20, 2016)

        • Lost on November 19, 2016 at 7:03 pm

          D. D.

          You didn’t provide the requested links.

          You cited the delusional Alex Jones–he’s probably a paid agent of the NWO, his thinking being so conformist.

          You pretend that the Soros support of liberal causes, like BLM, proves that he’s supporting anti-Trump protestors. It could be, but you’ll need much stronger proof.

          The big problem with Trump is that he likely lost the electoral college vote. Note here that Hillary was real quick to concede. Meaning that it, the election, was a set-up to hand control over to fascists–note Trump’s cabinet proposals, not his campaign. Not a surprise given Hillary’s history as a girl for Goldwater.

          You cited the preposterous, Mooney owned, Washington Times. Those fools thought invading Iraq was a good idea. That means that you’ve used a NWO supporting source to back up your argument. (And Hillary give her 3AM concession speech from a Mooney owned building–the last residence of Tesla.)


          If you have a Craig’s List posting to link, then share it. I will gladly read it.

          • Daryl Davis on November 19, 2016 at 7:19 pm

            Lost, as I mentioned, I don’t feel the need to convince you — nor do I imagine that I could, even were I able to find those Craigslist links. Believe whatever you like.

          • Lost on November 20, 2016 at 9:00 am

            D. D.

            So still no Craig’s List postings to share. (The OP said they are easy to find.)

            If you want to share reporting that backs up the Washington Times, feel free. Alex Jones doesn’t count. (Remember he’s pushing the lie that controlled demolition destroyed the World Trade Towers.)

            ZeroHedge got in trouble already for just repeating rightwinger lies, without checking. And in this instance, the fact of bussed in protestors doesn’t prove what you’re saying. Again, it could be that the Open Society paid for the buses. But you need documentation.

  7. Robert Barricklow on November 16, 2016 at 6:47 pm

    Can the BREXIT/Trump elections throw a monkey-wrench into the corporate take down of national governments?
    The implementation of the EU structure pretty much put the first nail into the European sovereignty of their cherished nation states.
    The next nail was put in place by IMF-like loans designed NOT to be paid back, in order to trigger SAPs[structural adjustment programs], and, therefore retain the control of the nation’s assets
    The Endgame is to place the cherry on top of these debt enslaved nations: TTP/TTIP.

    • Robert Barricklow on November 16, 2016 at 6:48 pm

      I quit while I’m behind.

  8. Robert Barricklow on November 16, 2016 at 6:30 pm

    Got it!
    I stupidly forgot a naughty political word:
    inste t(y)ooSHen.

  9. Robert Barricklow on November 16, 2016 at 6:19 pm

    …and on to the third post attempt

    • Robert Barricklow on November 16, 2016 at 6:22 pm

      I look at all those two short sentences and wonder where the naughty is?

      • Robert Barricklow on November 16, 2016 at 6:25 pm


        • Robert Barricklow on November 16, 2016 at 6:26 pm

          Private Institutions?
          Transnational Corporations?
          Multinational Corporations?

  10. Robert Barricklow on November 16, 2016 at 6:18 pm

    …and on to the next post attempt.
    The world transfer of powers from the nation-states to the private institutions & private transnational/multinational corporations is still ongoing.

  11. Robert Barricklow on November 16, 2016 at 6:14 pm

    The political part line bot, going under various benign nicknames is on high alert with today’s High Octane Speculation post.
    One post down, and on to post attempt in the game of:
    What Are Those Naughty Words?

    • Robert Barricklow on November 16, 2016 at 6:15 pm

      Party Bot Line.
      [How do those letter(s) disappear?]

      • Freefall on November 16, 2016 at 6:48 pm

        LOOL .. Go Robert !! .. I have had SO many laughs from this post .. it’s made my day .. My motto : “Let’s just laugh our way outta this mess” ..

      • WalkingDead on November 16, 2016 at 6:51 pm

        Hmmm, it is a full moon. Maybe the algorithm is feminine or moody. I’ve given up on figuring out what triggers it and post with my fingers crossed. It does seem to favor you though.

  12. Robert Barricklow on November 16, 2016 at 6:09 pm

    Can the BREXIT/Trump elections spur the corporate takedown of national governments?
    The EU pretty much put the first solid nail in the coffin for those foolish enough to swallow that austerity/SAP[IMF structural adjustment programs] pill.
    As of now the transfer of power from the nation-states to private institutions & transnational/multinational corporations is ongoing. They are waiting with abated breath for that cherry on top of their endgame cake: TTP/TTIP.

  13. basta on November 16, 2016 at 1:43 pm

    Jean Claude Drunkard is a pompous buffoon and an embarrassment who should have resigned upon Brexit but of course is shameless. like the whole lot of these globalist toadies. If he hadn’t have thought to bury himself like a tick into the cushy position and massive perks of the EU politburo, he’d still be marinating behind the counter of a provincial post office.

    As for the feasibility of an EU army… hang on, it’s hard to type, I’m laughing so hard… Bear with me…. Okay, much better now, it’s down to just chuckles.

    First off, the EU is teetering on the brink of dissolution and will collapse from the accrued weight of its intrinsic internal contradictions within he next four years. And Brexit and the Trumpening have redoubled the headwinds, then you have Catalonian succession, the 2017 French presidential vote, Merkel on the ropes, and Italy about to go belly up. Good luck with even holding on to the status quo, let alone doubling down on expanding the purview of your bloated and corrupt bureaucracy. Who on earth would give those clowns that power?

    And in all honestly, just who are they defending themselves from? They’ve got NATO and their own national armies, and other than beating up on wretched third-world stragglers to loot their resources, who truly is a threat to Europe? Other than itself and its own ideologues? They’d much better invest in a few highly trained assassins if they wanted to truly ensure European security, but then they’d have to liquidate their own.

  14. marcos toledo on November 16, 2016 at 11:45 am

    Lets at the beginning define Europe geographically it extends from the Iberian peninsula to the Ural mountains. It’s People consists of the tribal groups the Celts, Scando-Teutons, Slavs. Much like the tribal divisions in Western-Central Asia, Africa the Europeans confuse technology with civilization and there are several cultures not one in Europe. As to the British, French, Portuguese , Spanish Empires that like Mesoamerica-Western Hemisphere are geographic-political make believe. The terms empire and nation state are variants for the same political entity if the empire survives it will become in time a nation state but it must be geographic close. Either if islands like Japan or continuous geographically like China, Persia, Russia and the people like in those countries are more communal not hyper individualistic like in the West.

  15. Kahlypso on November 16, 2016 at 11:32 am

    Thinking about this.. What I think we will see… Is a lot of politicians coming up and presenting themselves as the ANTI SYSTEM Politician.. They see that it worked in UK and US and are probably hoping it will work in EU as well.

    Seeing as a lot of general elections are upcoming in the ‘Ol’ Country’..

    Take that OXYMORON!! An Anti Establishment Politician…

  16. Daryl Davis on November 16, 2016 at 10:40 am

    A united European armed force sounds farcical in light of the demographics already in play within those nations’ borders. Europe has already been invaded. That “war” was lost. No need to dig more Maginot lines.

    Decentralization presents as many problems as it removes. Were the EU to break apart and sovereignty be restored to its member nations, these same countries would then face a CENTRALIZATION of their societies: the forcing of growing immigrant cultures to assimilate into the predominate, native culture. The only alternative would be the creation of a united European deportation force.

    There’s nothing wrong with diversity. But cultures are best practiced in their places of origin. They reflect a geography and a history rendered all but meaningless in other lands — and all the more so, a generation or two removed. (“I’m a Bedouin-American!”) When one chooses to emigrate to a land in which a different culture predominates, he ought to accept in advance a loss of his own culture, at least in so far as it clashes with the new one.

    But neither nationalism NOR culture creates virtue. Only individual choice, rather than loyalty or obedience, displays true character. Globalists miss this fact altogether, as they try ridding the world of borders and distinctions. No, we, like addicts, must WANT to be free of these things first. And no one can make this choice for us. (I do realize, however, that many Globalists don’t really care about, nor even understand, true virtue anyway.)

  17. Vomito Blanco on November 16, 2016 at 9:59 am

    I was sitting in my bubble bath yesterday afternoon with all my scented candles burning around me and a thought occurred to me: if we are on the precipice of getting that potential tower of babel moment from our abusive alien cousins, who better to lead the resistance then the team of Trump and Putin? I couldn’t think of two better candidates for such a heroic task because let’s face it, it’s going to take a lot of testosterone to win (and that is why Europe and North America could fall very quickly. I don’t think we can rely on angry lesbians to pick up the slack for our testicularly enfeebled male population who have been ravaged by gender bending chemicals, wifi and pink sports gear). With the cool demeanor of Putin and the fiery temper of Trump, it is Iceman and Maverick all over again, in perfect tandem doing battle against these enemies from the sky.

    Which makes me suspect also that this de-centralization is evidence of the triumph of the Russian battle plan over the previous German (Nazi International) battle plan which was relying on total global centralization as the most efficient means to defeat the returning aliens. Putin wisely realizes that this impending war will ultimately devolve into a guerrilla war and autonomy, both in military command, communication systems, and in armament production, will be essential for victory. Surely some nazis must be in agreement considering their post war success of decentralization and the memories of how quick the German war machine capitulated once Berlin fell. Maybe Antarctica is just a clever decoy by these international nazis to deceive the aliens into thinking that this nazi outpost is actually the central military headquarters of planet Earth? Keep the otherwise desolate southern continent bustling with mystery and fake activity so the prying eyes of the enemy from above will think it has tremendous strategic significance. Imagine all the energy the aliens would waste trying to pulverize this giant sheet of ice and barren land?

    I’m glad to know we got two world leaders who won’t back down from a fight, no matter how formidable the enemy is. I for one look forward to this fight. It is time we stood up to these bullies. I relish the day when an enemy alien spacecraft crash lands in my backyard and I can interrogate him with scorching hot implements from my barbecue grill. (I don’t even like illegal aliens let alone aliens from another planet). Then I will parade it through town as my prisoner and all my neighbors will finally see me as a hero and not just some kooky crank who thinks nazis run the world and the giza pyramid is some kind of ancient war weapon.

    It is also comforting to know that both Putin and Trump have daughters that could be traded with the enemy if necessary, perhaps as brides for the alien leaders in return for peace or even a galactic alliance.

    • WalkingDead on November 16, 2016 at 11:51 am

      LOL, and both married Jewish men. Hmmm, are the Jews actually from Earth, or are they that contingent left behind in that cosmic war. Maybe there is a reason they are the “chosen people”.

      • Roger on November 16, 2016 at 2:12 pm

        Every tribe claims to be the chosen of whatever God, demon, or idol that they have chosen to worship. And every God, demon, or idol is proven more powerful to the superstitious by the amount of blood that gets spilt in its name. The more terror and fear the priest class create by spilling an ocean of blood among the world’s superstitious the more powers they are granted over those superstitious masses. Just say no to religion. There is more to reality than meets the eye and a spiritual presence and consciousness seems to guide and pervade all of reality but little more can be said definitely on the matter. Are there more than one or only one? And do they or it really have humanities best interest at their heart?

      • Roger on November 16, 2016 at 2:14 pm

        Now this moderation program is violating my freedom of religion.

        • WalkingDead on November 16, 2016 at 9:57 pm

          Sorry Roger, it was a lame attempt at humor. I was actually shocked it made it past the bot.

      • goshawks on November 17, 2016 at 5:46 am

        WD, the Rothschilds married into the top-flight Euro dynasties:

        Wiki: “Mayer Rothschild successfully kept the fortune in the family with carefully arranged marriages, often between first- or second-cousins (similar to royal intermarriage). By the late 19th century, however, almost all Rothschilds had started to marry outside the family, usually into the aristocracy or other financial dynasties.”

        We may be seeing an intentional version of that strategy with Trump’s daughters. If so, that would indicate some long-term planning around Trump…

    • Freefall on November 16, 2016 at 11:56 am

      Vomito ….. LMAO!!!!! … Are you related to Hunter S. Thompson because I am having another “airport scene” moment in my lounge room ?.. LOVE IT ..

    • Robert Barricklow on November 16, 2016 at 3:23 pm

      Classic Vomito Blanco!

  18. Neru on November 16, 2016 at 9:37 am

    A big problem for us Europeans is that the EU is a non democratic ruling demon.
    We can’t vote it into oblivion, hell I didn’t even get a choice if I wanted this folly in the first place.

    The right wingers are always involved in some lawsuit barraged upon them so they hardly can take root. The ones who did take root in Vlemish Belgium with a landslide changed allegeance once in power.

    Discontent is all over Europe but in the end most of us think one side and say the other. Being publicly shunned is one thing, loosing your job is another especially when jobs are scarce.

    The EU citizens are more in a “soviet style” position only the stasi are foreigners. I don’t know if the subdued hate on both sides can lead to anything positive nor do I see positive solutions to the problem even if the EU stops existing. If those refugees are gone there are still enough legalised foreigners total alien to Western values.

    So if that hate explodes on which side will the police/army be?

  19. WalkingDead on November 16, 2016 at 8:55 am

    More problem (Hitlery), reaction (populism), solution (Trump)? Time will tell…

      • justawhoaman on November 16, 2016 at 10:52 am

        That is another significant sign that he either doesn’t get it or is not playing by his own campaign script. It won’t take very many of these “mistakes” before he will push the country to Civil War… if we are not there already. The stifling of the first Amendment is getting so out of hand that many of us who vowed to leave if Hillary won, may leave anyway.

        • WalkingDead on November 16, 2016 at 11:45 am

          Yes, it could turn out to be a case of snatching defeat from the jaws of victory. The elite pride themselves on controlling all sides to any issue. We were given essentially two choices, one so odious as to be unpalatable, the other not much better.
          The resulting chaos plays into whose hands? Certainly not ours. Seemingly another limited hangout to distract us from what is going on quietly and unnoticed in the background. If Trump allows Soros to continue his BS, then we can entertain our suspicions.
          While I have my hopes, I also have my fears and will have to wait and see how it all plays out.

      • Lost on November 16, 2016 at 11:36 am


        And Mr. Wright likely works for the Mercator Institute at George Mason. That’s basically run by the Koch brothers.

        So it aint simply Google, via Wright, at the table.

        • WalkingDead on November 16, 2016 at 10:05 pm

          I don’t think it matters how hard Trump tries to appoint the best people he can, if they are career politicians, they are either already corrupt or easily corruptible. When you have the amount of money at your disposal these people do you can pretty much buy anything and anyone you want. If they can’t be bought, there are plenty of other ways to compromise them.
          Trump is working against a stacked deck. What he may wish to do and what he will be “allowed” to do are two entirely separate things, assuming he is a man of his word. If he pushes too hard, there is always the JFK option.

      • Robert Barricklow on November 16, 2016 at 3:14 pm

        The Corporate Conglomerate has the two sides: One private; the other public. Insider CEOs move from one side of the corporation to the other; wearing a public CEO hat, to a private CEO cap. All one big happy corporate conglomerate; that privatizes the profit$; and socializes the cost$.

    • Kahlypso on November 16, 2016 at 9:56 am

      The Nazis “parasitized the forms and themes of the populists and moved their constituencies far to the right through ideological appeals involving demagoguery, scapegoating, and conspiracism (Wiki)

  20. DanaThomas on November 16, 2016 at 8:46 am

    While the typically pragmatic approach to the Trump win should be, let’s wait and see what he actually DOES, there is more going on under the surface, and a LOT will happen before the formal inauguration date. There are two aspects.
    First of all, if, as all evidence indicates, the president-elect represents a part of the US oligarchs who want to put a stop to globalisation, those oligarchs (and indeed Mr Trump himself) will not just be twiddling their thumbs until January. News is coming out about important phone calls (with the added perk being that while we ordinary folk are not able to listen in to these “confidential” conversations, the powers-that-shouldn’t-be certainly are!) and various convulsions unfolding on the financial markets.
    Then there are the Trump declarations. Very few insiders would be able to tell for sure which of these statements represent real intentions and which are just post-election rhetoric. So just to be on the safe side these declarations have to be taken at face value and not dismissed off hand. A way of saying that the “power of words” in this phase is very strong, also considering the panic that seems to be driving Darth SSoros and his Klington apprentices…

    • Robert Barricklow on November 16, 2016 at 3:08 pm

      Darth SSoros and his Klington apprentices…
      Loved It!

  21. Kahlypso on November 16, 2016 at 6:45 am

    Side note – Just seen this on ZH…
    Instead of shouting “LOVE (hehe) the Police”, they should be shouting “Terror kann nur durch Terror gebrochen werden”

    I wonder if Soros will call this the Brown(shirt) Revolution…

    • Kahlypso on November 16, 2016 at 6:49 am

    • Lost on November 16, 2016 at 9:04 am

      And the immediate problem with the ZeroHedge link is that it starts out with a lie about most protestors in Charlotte, NC, being from out of state. Thereby destroying any credibility about Portland. It also undercuts claims about Soros of course.

      • Phil the Thrill on November 16, 2016 at 1:52 pm

        And the immediate problem with your comment is that regular readers here know all about George “Soros” Schwartz’ “”, that so-called NGO that places ads on craigslist for anti-Trump protesters, promising at least $16 per hour and up to 77 hours per week. You truly are lost, if you come here with your self.

        • Lost on November 16, 2016 at 4:35 pm

          And you clearly didn’t read the point about Charlotte, NC.

          If you start with that big a lie, then the claims about Soros, which you can’t document, become part of that lie.

          Funny, I don’t see Hillary Clinton contesting the Electoral College–say calling for a thorough recount of Arizona, and Florida.

          • WalkingDead on November 16, 2016 at 5:14 pm

            Up to $35/hr, if you dress to impress, in one Craigslist add. These college kids have to pay off their student loans somehow; there sure aren’t many jobs out there once they graduate. Of course, the ones primping like My Little Pony and cringing in safe spaces won’t make it in the real world anyway.
            At their age I was working as the electronics flight deck troubleshooter for an attack squadron, on an aircraft carrier, in a war zone and a member of a nuclear weapons loading team. The hours were long, the pay crap, and the travel excellent, all expenses paid. Needless to say, it was one of the most interesting four year periods of my life.

          • Lost on November 16, 2016 at 7:27 pm


            I’d love to see the links to the postings on CL.

          • WalkingDead on November 16, 2016 at 9:33 pm

            There are plenty more, if you bother to search.

          • Lost on November 17, 2016 at 10:09 am


            As I suspected, you don’t have links or screen shots, and tell me to hunt for such adverts myself.

            If they’re really a thing on CL, they’re easy to find. Link them.

      • Joseph P. Farrell on November 16, 2016 at 7:39 pm

        Lost, I’m curious why you think the zerohedge article that someone linked is a lie?

        • Lost on November 17, 2016 at 10:06 am


          The lie is about protestors is Charlotte, North Carolina.

          Cops killed a guy there for no good reason, protestors gathered. Some of the protestors came from surrounding communities.

          The likes of the rightwing press (here the Mooney Wash Times) went with the lie that “70 percent of the protestors arrested were from out of state”. It wasn’t backed up by the arrest records, it was more like the surrounding communities, already mentioned.

          This lie was repeated widely by the likes of Breitbart News; it’s been thoroughly disproven with arrest records. But ZH is repeating it now months later, they made fools of themselves. Of course the constant gold buggy doesn’t help either.

          It’s akin to the New York Times telling all sorts of lies about the Iraq war in 2015/16, lies that were publicly understood to be lies in 2004.

          • Phil the Thrill on November 21, 2016 at 2:00 pm

            Dr. Farrell should be flattered that his website has attracted such a hard-working troll as yourself, Lost. Hey, according to freelance reporter Jim Stone, there is a possibility that George “Soros” Schwartz has been taken out. Are you familiar with Jim Stone, Lost? Check out the Fukushima report on his website. Great stuff!

      • TRM on November 16, 2016 at 9:33 pm

        Google this phrase “north carolina rioters out of state” and you get a dozen links

        Thursday on CNN’s “Outfront,” Todd Walther, the spokesman for the Charlotte-Mecklenburg Fraternal Order of Police, told host Erin Burnett the bulk of the protesters being arrested in Charlotte were not from North Carolina, but out of state based on their IDs..

        • Lost on November 17, 2016 at 11:17 am


          And that’s wrong.

          Google doesn’t tell you whether there’s documentation, there isn’t.

          Google can tell you want someone claims.

          Learn the difference.

          Then learn how to use Google to find documentation for X claim.

    • zendogbreath on November 16, 2016 at 11:44 pm

      ladies and germs, at some point we’re going to need to moderate lost as perhaps an actually intelligent AI (or perhaps wise) might moderate him/her. aka quit paying any mind to lost. the primary goal of wasting our time is otherwise fulfilled. thank you. zdb

      • Roger on November 17, 2016 at 9:26 am

        While I might not agree with Lost’s view point, I find them interesting and worthy of thought.

        • Robert Barricklow on November 21, 2016 at 4:02 pm

          I stand w/Roger
          Although we agree to disagree here; we also KNOW that ALL sources are suspect and that truth is a revolutionary act. Needless to say, in my mind’s eye, we’re all revolutionaries here. And as your know; the true sign of a democracy of ideas is heated debate[except where bots come in as suspect referees].

          • Robert Barricklow on November 21, 2016 at 4:11 pm

            By the by, the NYTimes has been, & will always be Her Majesty’s rag from my point of view. It stinks of privilege that kowtows to whatever the desires of the commanding heights may be. It celebrates/toasts breaking news, by drinking the leftovers, like drool cups of the rich & powerful.

      • Lost on November 17, 2016 at 1:43 pm


        So your point is to deny reality? How very like many Trump and Hillary supporters. Irony.

  22. Kahlypso on November 16, 2016 at 6:28 am

    Seems a little like shooting fish in a barrel Dr.
    Since when DIDNT the far right extremist groups NOT hollar on about insecurity and rampant criminal illegal immigrants.. Its their bread and butter.
    What is worrying, is that the people are starting to listen.. Goebbels.. Just keep on repeating it until it becomes the truth..

    forget about the Fish metaphor… People are Sheep. Maleducated, Un-informed, being led to the Shearer and ending up at the Butcher instead..

    • Neru on November 16, 2016 at 9:05 am

      Extremism in the far left and right lead to nothing but trouble and lots of death.
      If you are not with the ruling parasites of today you are a extremist of your choise in need of anhillation does not matter which faction.

      • Don B on November 16, 2016 at 10:01 pm

        Good point. I notice he never rants on about the the far left, the real threat to the planet. Also, why doesn’t our wordy friend take in a few of the mooslims. We’re 20 trillion in debt. db

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