…AND IN THE NETHERLANDS: GEERT WILDERS CONVICTED OF ...
In the Netherlands, a blow may have been struck against the rising tide of "populism" as a Dutch court convicted Geert Wilders, popular opposition leader who has been challenging the rising tide of Islamic immigration to Europe. Here's the story as reported by Reuters:
Dutch politician Wilders convicted of discrimination against Moroccans
I want to concentrate on the following lines:
Judges on Friday convicted Dutch lawmaker Geert Wilders of discrimination against Moroccans but levied no punishment in a ruling that could influence elections just three months away.
It was the first time that Wilders, whose anti-Islam comments have forced him to live under 24-hour protection for a decade, has been convicted for his outspoken views.
Wilders, who is leading in some polls before national parliamentary elections on March 15, said he would appeal the "totally insane" verdict and accused the court of bias.
The charges against Wilders stem from a 2014 campaign rally, when he led a group of supporters to chant they wanted "Fewer! Fewer! Fewer!" Moroccans in the Netherlands. A smiling Wilders concluded: "we're going to take care of that."
Reading the decision of a three-judge panel, Presiding Judge Hendrik Steenhuis said "no one is above the law", including politicians. Wilder had planned the inflammatory remarks beforehand and insulted the entire group of people of Moroccan origin in the Netherlands, he said.
"If a politician crosses the line, that doesn't mean free speech is being restricted," he said. "A crime cannot be protected by the right to free speech."
In a videotaped response to the verdict, which he did not attend in person, Wilders said: "I will never be silenced".
He said the ruling was an attempt to "neutralize the leader of the largest and most popular opposition party in the Netherlands."
Moroccan-Dutch organizations welcomed the verdict for drawing a clear line about the limits of free speech.
"This ruling protects minorities in our country from the racist poison that is seeping into our society," said anti-discriminatiin platform NBK, which previously filed a failed lawsuit against Wilder in 2007.
Once again, the establishment and corporate controlled media is completely blind to what Mr. Wilders has been saying: questioning the core concepts of Islam is not "racism", especially when Mr. Wilders has taken especial care to make clear he is not opposing Islamic immigration, but rather, Islamicization of European culture by a refusal to acknowledge secular law. For example, see his extended remarks in a speech given in Vienna on 27th March, 2015 at the Hofburg, here(unfortunately, this is in German, with no subtitles:)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xg2Wjl2svaQ&t=640s
Of course, it is all too easy for such movements to degenerate into simple bigotry and racism, and I have no doubt that these movements in Europe - not only in Holland but elsewhere - contain a measure of such people. But this is not what Mr. Wilders has actually been saying. There is an underlying problem that the corporate controlled media have avoided at all costs, and that is the doctrine that allows one to lie if in fact it advances the cause of Islam. This poses a genuine security question and problem, and places even Muslim immigrants themselves under a perpetual question mark, in spite of the fact that Muslims have often served in the armed forces of their host western countries, and in spite of the fact that many if not most Muslims repudiate the extremist forms underlying much modern terrorism, and in spite of the fact that many Muslims make a conscious and deliberate attempt to integrate into their societies. Mr. Wilders has stated - specifically in this speech - that the real problem is whether or not these populations recognize the supremacy of the laws of the lands they are in, or whether they wish to remain separate from them and under Sharia, and attempt to impose this concept on their host societies, by the implementation of special parallel courts, demanding special accomodations, and so on, effectively creating parallel bureaucracies of courts (as in Great Britain). To put Mr. Wilders' message in a simple a form as possible, he is saying that the problem isn't Muslims; it's Islam and its doctrines themselves.
What is interesting in this story is that the Dutch court fell short of levying any actual punishment on Mr. Wilders for his "crime" of daring to raise the questions that the corporate controlled media will not raise and which the establishments of the West, in their globaloneyist multiculturalism bubbles fail to address, for whatever reason (one of them perhaps being that they are simply unaware of these types of issues and questions). Well might the Dutch court have avoided this, since to do so would only have made Mr. Wilders a "martyr" and fueled his opposition party even more in the upcoming Dutch elections.
But in my opinion it's a strategy doomed to fail, and that for a simple reason: it only fuels the divide, and makes the dialogue between those voices for reform in Islam, and those moderate Muslims, and the West, impossible. It is, in other words, as much the west's own establishment, as it is people like Mr. Wilders, that makes the chasm unbridgeable, by driving an immigration policy it knows all too well includes those radical Islamicist elements, and by failing to address conceptual issues. But Mr. Wilders, and the many moderate Muslims who live among us, know that the problem is real, and will not go away when courts stick their heads in the sand, and fail to allow free and open speech and an examination of those issues. Free speech, a core value of our culture and civilization, is not abrogated by the special claims of particular groups.
See you on the flip side...
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” Heap big trouble in the land of plenty.”
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GS5JOAdZH18
This absurd conviction without punishment will actually send more people to the polls voting for Geert Wilders’ party. In a strange way, this circus has been very helpful for Wilders and others to make their point about the insanity of the globalists and the political Left. I expect Wilders to win on appeal.
(Meanwhile, Scandinavia and other parts of the EU continue to commit suicide.)
“Your comment is awaiting moderation.” I was pretty-sure this would be moderated…
goshawks – December 12, 2016 at 6:53 pm.
(On the bright side, I just realized that moderation gives me one-on-one time with Dr. Farrell! If he indeed reviews each modded comment, I get personal attention! Hi, Doc!)
Back after 9/11, I got a taste of the bigotry in some folks in America. A local gas station owner was Iranian-American. He was a really nice guy, and was even sending his son to an engineering school in the US. A classic model of successful assimilation while not destroying his cultural background. Well, after 9/11, he caught hell from certain people in our town. He, and others, explained to these ‘folks’ that he was Iranian, not Iraqi. (And we all know who REALLY did 9/11…) The continuing hatred from these people was such that he finally sold his gas station and moved out of town. I was both really p1ssed-off, and ashamed for this aspect of America. Good luck, wherever you are…
With the above in mind, I wonder what the TRUE playing-book is for the refugee saga. By that, I mean the one originating-in the smokey back-roomers. One can see that enormous effort (and cash) was spent to get the ‘refugees’ into Europe. That enormous investment implies an enormous ‘payoff’. Somehow, just ticking-off the European natives doesn’t seem enough for a ‘play’ of this magnitude…
The only scenario (that I can see) that justifies this big of an investment is the ‘Crusader’ reaction. This would be when the PTB set-off a nuke or three in European cities and promptly blame it on the newly-arrived Islamic refugees. They may even have a “Lee Harvey Oswald” patsy or three in-mind. The MSM (aka ‘presstitutes’) will move to inflame the populace. A revenge-war will then take place on Islamic soil, fully ‘justified’…
In the meantime, a certain rogue Middle East nation (not Islamic) will just sit-back and grin. (Or perhaps dance on a roof…)
Thank you for bringing this issue up, dr. Farrell.
It is a mess, and it is partly a mess, this import of islamic culture into Europe, a Europe that has been dominated by their christian culture (for 1000 to 1500 years) and also during the late century of the secular culture, mostly rooted from christianity, but not that much recognized by those to claim to be secularized (me included).
It takes decades to create a common culture to create a nations, even by several etnic and religiuos groups.. E.g. after ww1 and ww2, in the Mid East, Syria, Irak, Libya ruled by “strongmans”, but they managed to create a common culture for a nation state, until US and Nato intervened.
It took 200 years to create a nation state of Norway, to create a common culture and understanding by uniting the farmers, the fishermen and the bourgoise in the towns to a nation culture. The radio was the most important vehicle after ww2. But, before that, the sami coastal culture in northern Norway was destroyed. Burning women, our medical practioners 250 years ago. The priests were were very active to eliminate the coastal sami language. When I trace my bloodline, maybe more than 50 % is of sami bloodline. As professor Bratrein was saying, maybe we are a kind of bastards.
Anyhow, my culture is as grown up in a Norwgian nation. My blodline does not effect my thinking.
I was listening to a conversation between Peter Lavelle and Patrick Henningsen 9 days ago. What Peter Lavelle emphezised was that in Russia, it is not about etnicity, it is about culture. The etnic tensions created by western NGoes, the Russian people disgust it, because the Russian people are having very different etnic origin. And the Russian people are very aware and proud of their culture.
Another point that was put up by Peter Lavelle, every negative article in the Western press is translated into Russian and posted, without any commentary. They do not need it.
I am a secular Norwegian. But for every Christmas, as I remember, our class at school went to the church for a christmas service. A very strong tradion in every community. Today I learned in our local newspaper, this tradition will not be fullfilled because we will not offend our new landsmen. This, it is a culture disaster in making.
“…every negative article in the Western press is translated into Russian and posted, without any commentary. They do not need it.”
In other words, when you have an informed, thinking audience, you just let these rabid socialists keep talking until they hang themselves.
It’s also possible that they’ll come realise that they’re illogical, emotional, and divisive rhetoric can only make a bad situation worse and re-think their position; I’ve yet to see that happen though.
Great comment. It seems true that if you get into it we are all bastards and culture is a very fluid thing as are traditions.
We have a pretty short memory anyway.
Maybe it has to do with perceived threat. Say if a couple of Islamic families live in a town where the population is already primed to be suspicious of outsiders or just introverted the families may read it as being unwelcome and band together for comfort and feel compelled to hold their own traditions more dearly than previous.
The more isolated they are the more ” militant” they become in an unfriendly land.
Etc..
One world United without borders but pockets of culture bred not from necessity but from common free choice of homeland.
Dirty words I know but perhaps I’m I globalist …
Let’s not withdraw into our borders but hijack the systems and plans already in place for a NWO and use them to make our world order. OWO
Great comment. It seems true that if you get into it we are all bastards and culture is a very fluid thing as are traditions.
We have a pretty short memory anyway.
Maybe it has to do with perceived threat. Say if a couple of Islamic families live in a town where the population is already primed to be suspicious of outsiders or just introverted the families may read it as being unwelcome and band together for comfort and feel compelled to hold their own traditions more dearly than previous.
The more isolated they are the more ” militant” they become in an unfriendly land.
Etc..
O.W.O
One world United without borders but pockets of culture bred not from necessity but from common free choice of homeland.
Dirty words I know but perhaps I’m I globalist …
Let’s not withdraw into our borders but hijack the systems and plans already in place for a NWO and use them to make our world order. OWO
Oops
Geert Wilders must face the fact that Western Europe has for millennia have brought the problem on it’s self. By disastrous military campaigns in Western Asia-North Africa that were not well thought out from the beginning the Crusades being one of many and not the first as the song The Big Muddy by Pete Seeger the big fools says to move on deeper into troubled waters. They know the way across. When the fall into the currents of chaos they will be taking many of their fellows to doom with them.
Last comment went poof!
The one before moderated.
I’m quitting while I/m behind.
Instead of populism; I prefer to see it as people waking up to the fact that truth is not only being obfuscated, but purposely and actively being withheld from them by the corporatized robots systematically.
There is a war going on and truth is usually among the first casualties. When Warren said there has been a class warfare going on for the past 20 years and his class was winning. It was exactly true. For it implied his class was human. They are composed of corporate robots.
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Those for whom there are no jobs turn to crime or simply give up on life. The fortunate few seek solace in ever more extravagant consumption and struggle with money addiction in denial of their meaningless and dehumanizing servitude to computerized financial markets and corporate robots.
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The system compensates the top financiers and corporate managers extravagantly for their services creates an illusionary appearance that they are in control. The system; in reality, IS The Master. The financiers and CEOs are but pawns of corporate robots they serve but do Not control.
As Vominto Blanco might say. Several posts without being lobotomized. WOW! I/m feelin lucky. Time to hit the tables[table games of chance].
I wrote lo BOT omized as one word.
But as you can see[above] the spelling bot corrected my purpose, to suit it own reality, per corporate rules.
One comment, rather long, sent to the memory hole. Although it was rescued rather quickly, so the sting wasn’t too lasting.
To continue on cat paws[just kidding bot].
Those Moroccans happily took the role of civilized cannon fodder to build an empire that destroys nation like their own.
Well, I’m cutting this short.
Is there a couple a aliens out there placing bets on the islaminization of European culture; while the other is bettin on Crusades 2.0?
That corporate bot has found a new playmate.
It[as they loathe humans] prides itself on destroying anything that cuts to the quick of corporate robot’s power base. I gladly cross swords with it and all others that pull their inhuman strings against humanity.
Usually when they want these guys outed they use the Scott Ritter method: fabricate a pedophilia file. It usually stops them dead in their tracks as they gladly exit stage left through the memory hole door.
If their going to implement a policy of discrimination against Moroccans than they will be opening those concentrations camps[like the ones Dick Chaney constructed here in the US] per the planned strategy.
Of course, no one is above the law except highly corrupted corporate robots like the Judge himself.
As far as the limits of free speech: there is posted a limit your do not cross over. In this case, the limit is known as The Truth. Yes, we’ve finally reached the point where truth has become a criminalized act.[see below link for new free speech law passed in US]
An article that speaks truth to power and sounds the alarm as the corporate robot’s congress passes law against 1st amendment.
http://sjlendman.blogspot.com/2016/12/congress-passes-measure-opposing-speech.html
And another attract against free speech. http://news.antiwar.com/2016/12/02/senate-passes-new-bill-targeting-college-students-who-criticize-israel/
Attack!!
Sandygirl
Saw this and it exemplifies how Israelis run Congress/Senate. They snap their fingers to kneel, and they obey their masters.
It’s against the law in many countries to investigate the Holocaust. For there is myth hidden in the official version/truth mixed with lies.
Is it just me that feels the EU has become the greatest threat to the human race in all of history? They are attempting to pervert and warp common sense, core moral values, and natural creator bestowed freedoms and rights. And worse of all they are trying to impose their self destructive views on the entire planet.
Yes it’s just you, because you’ve obviously been reading too much fake news, permeated with all that Russian propaganda. You’ve been hopelessly brainwashed and should self-report to the DHS as a danger to society.
I have a feeling we all will be rounded up shortly here in the US. They will probably kick all the drug addicts out of prison, who were just temporarily placed there to keep our bunks warm and the cover used to build these concentration camps in the first place, to make room for the dissidents they were really built for. All they needed was an excuse for passing the necessary laws to empower them to do it. Once Obama criminalizes free speech they will have the trumped up charges all ready signed and ready to deliver to place us there.
I forget the link in Dutch:
http://www.wanttoknow.nl/hoofdartikelen/geert-wilders-is-de-mol/
Geert Wilders is a Mossad agent and also has an Israeli passport. It is a rioter and attracts many Dutch with it because people like to hear what he says. He is close to Netanyahu. He is paid by David Horowitz’s. Nigel Farrage do not want to work with him as well as Marine Le Pen. Translate this site please because my English is not adequate enough.
The article below shows the reality.
Dutch politician Geert Wilders is investigated for being an Israeli stooge
http://www.veteranstoday.com/2016/12/05/dutch-politician-geert-wilders-is-investigated-for-being-an-israeli-stooge/
Nannie
Your English is excellent as is your post.
Thanks for the link.
Before all is done and said, Dutch politician Geert Wilders will be investigated for being a Nazi too!!! Accusations of that sort are thrown about all the time and usually happens to good people.
Veterans Today is probably one of the “news sites” that you should use as a beginning and then research the heck out of alternate sources. They are not always reliable. I have been following Geert Wilders for a very long time and he is not anti-Muslim, he is anti-Sharia being held above a nation’s law. He is very well spoken and I have yet to hear him and think he has not covered his concerns about immigration logically or accurately. Your English is fine, Nannie; I simply do not agree.
I consult Veterans Today for an alternate view of the news of the day from time to time, but I have to agree with ‘justawhoaman’ on this one. Over time I have been increasingly cautious with this site because of it’s heavy use of intelligence operatives employed as investigative journalists for the purpose of diffusing tensions between nation states and reporting accurate data. (This is Gordon Duff’s stated objectives in various interviews.) Anyone who is familiar with the labyrinthine and compartmental nature of the intelligence community should immediately consider everything from these sources as potentially charged. Remember, we are talking about people working for the same agency that was combined with Reinhard Gehlen’s post-war eastern intelligence organization that did so much reporting on the eastern front for our foreign desk. The Comparmentalized Information Association is so pregnant with opportunities for social engineering I am almost tempted to amend Twain’s dictum regarding lies to include “official statements from intelligence agencies that come from a single compartment without proper source materials” to the list.
The prior post was intended for Nannie. The following continuation is included there.
I am familiar with Jonas Alexis at Veterans Today. For a long time I considered his commentary essential reading–until it dawned on me that he is singularly focused on one or two primary themes. He reminds me of Alex Jones–and I treat him as such. In this article we may see some real data and dots to connect, but the conclusions he reaches may be suspect. When you become too singular in your world view that you miss critical clues beyond that narrative that might point to a very different story, you are hopelessly locked into a dead end paradigm. This is why I no longer track Jonas’ work.
I’m glad you said it like that cause I am less charitable in my thoughts on “veterans today”.
Belgium is a full-blown totalitarian state including thought police. I live on the border and can walk to the shops in Holland. Dutch people are very different and more outspoken in total. Of course, that is why they have a Geert Wilders.
He is an eloquent speaker and if interested this was his response before being convicted in dutch but with subtitles : https://youtu.be/hNVfMG6jfIY
In today’s EU world, citizens of countries are suddenly races and minorities are treated like big majorities without any responsibilities what so ever. Housing, mobile phone, medical care, schooling, nice allowance all free at arrival.
The autochthonous citizen has to shut up do slave labor and pay more and more taxes which are ridiculously high already.
In the end, it won’t matter Belgium is broke. 5 people working vs 20 welfare (if it is that) and all young people no matter race, gender, religion out of work because there is none.
The free “fuck” foisted upon us is a welcome gift we should accept with grace after all you did survive so why are you moaning. Hope one day a lot of politicians get their just due.
http://katehon.com/article/quantum-philosophy-and-demise-empires
If Brexit and Trump ae any guide, then the court has just given Wilders a 5 pt. bump in his poll numbers.
This is what these globalist PC soup Nazis just don’t understand. Push the pendulum so far and it will come back and smack you upside the head.
*are
Let’s not overlook that there is another yahweh sect with a license to lie through absolution on their day of atonement. Of the three yahweh sects, all designed to not coexist with other religions, Christianity is the one that has short changed itself by not giving it’s adherents the right to make false vows. (Correct me if I’m wrong professor of Patristics). Talk about going into a fight with one armed tied behind your back. I must admit, I can sympathize with the desire to create a clash of civilizations to bring about the eradication of these warped yahweh sects, but I think there is a better and far more benign way to go about it. My suggestion would be for President Trump to make a pilgrimage to Rome and return with the sacred stone of Magna Mater which used to reside in the Temple of Cybele on Palatine Hill. Where it is today probably only the Vatican knows as the temple was destroyed by the early Christian precursors to ISIS, but I’m sure the Papacy could be persuaded to reveal its whereabouts with a few inconvenient wikileaks. My guess is it is sitting in the basement of the Vatican or in safe keeping by an ancient Roman family. Worse case scenario is it made the trek from Rome to Venice to Amsterdam to London and now NY where it is being used as a coffee table by some bankster.
Naturally there are going to be those religious hipsters who will poo poo worshipping a sacred stone which is the embodiment of the Divine Earth Mother, especially a stone carved out of a meteor. I can hear the cackles now about worshipping a stone from outer space like the muslims and some secret societies do, but I assure you it would not be without benefit. As a talisman of good luck it would be hard to dispute the efficacy of the Magna Mater stone, first brought to Rome from Greek Pergamon around 200 BC. Rome’s main rival Carthage was finally and utterly destroyed after the stone’s temple installment and the Roman Empire rapidly ascended to Mediterranean supremacy up until the time when the stone was removed and the temple destroyed around 400 AD. For this reason alone Trump should consider seeking out the Magna Mater stone and making it a object of national veneration in the United States. But I would offer more reasons as well: it would be the symbolic gesture needed to heal the divided between men and women; the divide as we all know that was exacerbated by the insidious western social engineers. If women see men bowing down to a feminine higher power, they well get a sense of restored balanced and they can return with relish to those duties which they are designed for and no longer feel compelled to compete with men in their natural masculine domain. Divine Mother worship will also soften the out-of-balance force of the patriarchy as well, as the patriarchs will then acknowledge and submit to a feminine force, the true creative force, and not that wrathful and authoritarian Sky Daddy force of yahweh which only aggravates masculine nature and creates further disharmony in the world. In fact I see the installation of the Magna Mater stone in the US and the elevation of Divine Mother worship as the best, safest and most effective way to eliminate yahweh worship for this new more enlightened age. The Kali Yuga is over, time for yahweh to go crawl back under his rock until the next Kali Yuga.
Interesting… I wonder if the Magna Mater ‘stone’ was/is one of the Tablets of Destiny. Perhaps, one that emits certain psychic ‘vibes’ that enable the possessor while weakening the outlanders. Real psychotronics? I can see why Enlil would do his utmost to get-back this particular ‘stone’…
Yay Sophia Achamoth
“if not most Muslims repudiate the extremist forms underlying much modern terrorism,”
Modern terrorism is a Muslim only thing? Tell that to the black church group in Charleston, South Carolina.
About which religions have I heard the accusation: “In that religion, it’s okay to lie in furtherance of it”?
I can think of two examples off the top of my head, neither is Islam. Besides those two, and Islam, I’m sure that there are other religions people have made that accusation about. It sure fits with some attacks on Catholicism too. So that would be a fourth group.
Sanity in an otherwise insane world:
On February 04, 2013, Vladimir Putin, the Russian president, addressed the Duma, (Russian Parliament), and gave a speech about the tensions with minorities in Russia :
“In Russia live Russians. Any minority, from anywhere, if it wants to live in Russia, to work and eat in Russia, should speak Russian, and should respect the Russian laws. If they prefer Sharia Law, and live the life of Muslims then we advise them to go to those places where that’s the state law. Russia does not need Muslim minorities. Minorities need Russia, and we will not grant them special privileges, or try to change our laws to fit their desires, no matter how loud they yell ‘discrimination’. We will not tolerate disrespect of our Russian culture. We had better learn from the suicides of America, England, Holland and France, if we are to survive as a nation. The Muslims are taking over those countries and they will not take over Russia. The Russian customs and traditions are not compatible with the lack of culture or the primitive ways of Sharia Law and Muslims. When this honorable legislative body thinks of creating new laws, it should have in mind the Russian national interest first, observing that the Muslim minorities are not Russians.
The politicians in the Duma gave Putin a five minute standing ovation.
” We will not tolerate disrespect of our Russian culture.” This is a recipe for thought police everywhere. The Saudis use it all the time but it doesn’t apply to Russia of course.
I’m sure the Europeans are totally enjoying their “Cultural diversity” about now as these barbarians rape their way across the landscape and leave it totally trashed behind them all the while demanding their government handouts to which they feel entitled while demanding the law of the land be changed to Sharia. It seems to be working out so well for them.
And they want to bring this to the USSA? We’ll see just how long that attitude lasts when they place them next to you and you get your own dose of “cultural enrichment” and it’s your home that’s trashed and your wife/daughter/son bearing the brunt of their “attention” while your tax dollars support them along the way and the law takes their side over yours.
Oh, the horror! After reading that I’m off to my safe space with a coloring book and a therapy dog. I am going to color in the page showing the EU leaders dancing in a ring about a group of Muslim women kept in black sacks. I saved that page for macro-regressions like this, because I knew one day I would need its special comfort. I am just a bit puzzled how to color the black sacks to make them empowering…
*macro-aggressions
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Walking Dead.
Excellent!
Straight & to the point.
A well desired standing ovation should have been heard around the world.
Every society should treasure their respective cultures.
Paladin-like
Monopolies of Culture – Will Travel
are NOT WELCOME.
He must be a racist nazi satanic child raper, who beats his dogs and spits on women… Are we sure that this guy isnt connected to Soros.. somehow.. I bet he doesnt even recycle.