TIDBIT: ANCIENT ATLANTEAN ALLOY (FINALLY) DISCOVERED?
March 16, 2017 / /
Oh, and while you're contemplating continents submerged under water, there's this intriguing little story from RT:
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This would not be the first time a confused description of a alloy as a pure metal . The real question was this a honest mistake or deliberate misdirection to cover up the real technological development that far back in time.
According to what I’ve researched over the years Atlantis broke up over a period of centuries. Where the Canaries and Azores were the mountain tops of the original island. Hence, it’s placement to the West of the Pillars of Hercules. There are Atlantean remnants off the coast of Spain as well. I site “Survivors of Atlantis: Their Impact on World Culture” by Frank Joseph. Who has been a contributor to “Ancient American Mag”.. Where he traces that copper to Poverty Point LA. Where it was staged for shipment back to Atlantis from the Gulf Coast. After being mined in the Great Lakes region.. When the last remnants of Atlantis finally sunk into the Atlantic. The “Sea Peoples” emerged and slammed into the Mediterranean. Giving Ramesses II & III all they could handle in two wars… Others went to their colonies in the Americas and elsewhere.. The last destruction of Atlantis coincided with the appearance of a comet and the destruction brought by the meteors dislodged from the Asteroid Belt that impacted the Earth.
Aridzonan_13, the O’Briens in “The Shining Ones” documented the Canaries and Azores as a possible Atlantis based on sea-bottom surveys of riverine channels that should not have been able to form as seen. However, they never got acceptance from the scientific world for their findings, as the terrain was more than a mile down. No one could suggest a mechanism for such a radical subsidence, so it was brushed away. Crustal slippage and such are not in the scientific vocabulary…
Interesting you are bringing this up, goshawks, about the subject about crustal slippage. 5 years ago I had my first trip to Gran Canary and – we were taking a boat trip from Puerto Mogan to Puerto Rico. I was amazed to see, when we were passing the coastline the abrupt cliffs. You could count 18 to 20 layers of different geological periods. At that time I was thinking, this must have been a significant event. You you can see the same at the cliffs of Faroe island; abrupt continuation of the land. I would guess you can find a youtube video, put up Puerto Mogan or Puerto Rico, boat trip, as searching words , and the abrupt cliffs will appear.
About the alloy, when you are mining minerals from different regions, there will allways be trace elements that are giving a signature that is specific for every region. I remember in distant times, as a student and further as research assistant at the university, we were using electron microscope to find the trace elements in the samples. So, I think, the archeologists know from where the different metals are having their origins. Of course, if either tin or the copperr are coming from different mines, maybe there will be difficulties to find where metal elements are coming from.
Acoording to Barry Feld, after the mines aof Cyprus was depleted, the Phoenecians and according to Alewyn J Raubenheimer, the Frisians traded copper from the Great Lakes in the period after 1000 years BC.
Barry Feld found a signature of a king Ring (supposed to live about 1 km from where I live) at a rock at the Great Lakes, about 800 BC. As I have found out, tin was mined in Cornwall and Rogaland at that period, 1000 years BC and later. Very, very interesting.
Of all the Atlantis theories, that of Prof. Arysio Santos is most compelling. He sites Atlantis in the area of the Sunda Strait between Java and Indonesia, which has a vast plain of continental extent, straddling the equator and therefore highly fertile during the ice age. It also has massive volcanoes and is ringed by mountains, is rich in precious metals and gems, and is only some 140 ft. below sea level.
This area was exposed for much of pre-history was only inundated at the end of the last ice age, when world sea levels rose catastrophically three successive times (the Great Flood), the worst of them being the inundation caused by the collapse of the inland ice dam holding back the glacial melt-waters covering Canada and creating the St Lawrence, research which Graham Hancock published. The studies estimated that one event alone caused sea levels to rise some ~30-40 yards in a few weeks.
Sorry, a rise in feet not yards.
basta, you might like “Eden in the East: The Drowned Continent of Southeast Asia” by Stephen Oppenheimer (1998). That was where I first became aware of the end-of-Ice-Age flooding effects on that whole continental-shelf. Impressive as [email protected] [email protected] I’m probably going to have to go back and re-read it now… (grin)
This story, dating to a couple of years ago, seems to be a little confused. The Italian video mentions “gold ingots” but the actual text talks about orichalcum. The ancient composition of which is a moot point. In another Italian article the antiquities official Sebastiano Tusi said that X-ray fluorescence showed the composition to be 80% copper and 20% zinc, i.e. brass. Wikipedia adds that there were small amounts of Nichel and Iron. But the pictures seem to show very little corrosion, and brass is subject to corrosion. Is the Italian video just a bit of Hollywood, as divers appear to pull the nicely preserved ingots out of the water? Without any underwater shots, however. A low grade gold alloy might be less subject to corrosion, especially if covered with silt. Alternatively, there may be a smelting technique ensuring low corrosion, or maybe a special ore deposit little known today.
OK.. So we have the Copper.. We have the Zinc. that’s brass..
However by adding Nickel.. as a strengthening element.. they ‘might’ have been aiming for what we call today “Cupronickel”
Cupronickel has a very high resistance to corrosion to saline water..if I remember correctly. Hang on – wiki.. ‘d.. Yep.
Nickel and Iron. Yep – aiming for Cupronickel.. or.. if you want to look at it another way… We call Aurichalcum.. (if this is that..) Copronickel today… God I love learning about smelting.. Thanks Aztecs and your pyramidal smelting factories..(try and figure out their tech. level.)
Cupronickel would have been VEEEEEEEEERY useful to a sea-faring/conquering people. Say.. Atlanteans for exemple.. They would have been VERY interested in its resistance to Sea Water..
Nickel has been in common metallurgical use only in fairly recent times. However, here is an interesting “space” angle from, of course, Wikipedia: “Use of nickel (as a natural meteoric nickel–iron alloy) has been traced as far back as 3500 BCE”
The fabled orichaleum is a zinc+copper alloy? That is called brass.
Nothing particularly remarkable or Atlantean about some 2600 y.o. brass ingots. Methinks some treasure hunters were hoping for gold, found brass, and are trying to hype it for all (or much more than) it’s worth by throwing around Atlantis.
This shipwreak was discovered in 2015 and the Orichalcum was tested. They’re composition was stated to be ” 75-80 percent copper, 15-20 percent zinc, and smaller percentages of nickel, lead and iron” (Wiki.. so… is it true??)
Its possible that this was Orichalcum.. all we have as far as eye witness testimony is..
“shone with a red gold light”
The word itself means Mountain Copper.. so they should have been pulling it out of the ground..
The alloy itself might be anything, or it could have been another word for Brass from that epoque..
Article: “‘Orichalcum’ … described as brass-like and made through the reaction of zinc ore, charcoal, and copper.”
Only hyped-up brass, or does the charcoal have any metallurgical purpose? (Carbon can have strength/brittleness effects – look at “Titanic’s” steel…)
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goshawks – March 16, 2017 at 8:47 pm.