EUROPE: YOU CAN ADD LOMBARDY AND VENETO TO THE LIST…
Years ago during various interviews I predicted that the Greek crisis would spread from there throughout southern Europe, and that the countries to watch would be Spain, and Italy, both for the reasons that each country has regions with rich histories and traditionas of "autonomy" from their central governments, or at least, a history of comparative wealth to the rest of their respective nations. Sure enough, we've seen a growing separatist movement grow in Catalonia, which of course recently held a referendum to leave Spain. Well, you can now add provinces of Lombardy and Veneto in Italy to the list, according to this article shared by Mr. S.C.:
Brexit was bad enough. But this could be even worse news for the EU.
Of course, it would be wrong to compare Catalonia and Lombardy and Veneto; they all have different histories, and in the case of Veneto particularly, a long tradition of acquiring privileges" from the ruling authority, the eastern Roman or Holy Roman emperors, or the papacy. But the way the stories are being covered, a growing phenomenon is being ignored. Here's what this article says:
The sharp rise in support for Catalan independence can be traced back to a 2010 court decision to overturn the previously approved 2006 Catalan Statute. This statute would have given Catalonia more control over taxes. Many people believe that the rejection of this statute laid the foundations for the current crisis, with Catalans feeling aggrieved that the region pays more to the Spanish state in taxes than it receives in return.
In Italy, Veneto and Lombardy make up about a third [paywall] of the overall Italian gross domestic product (GDP). The recent votes in favour of greater autonomy emphasise the importance of more control over their taxes and decentralisation of powers from Rome. The two referendums give Lombardy and Veneto a stronger mandate to negotiate tax reform and devolution with the central Italian government.
Granted, the real culprit and target of the growing dissatisfaction is not Madrid, or Rome, but rather, their subservience to a bloated and overgrown bureaucracy in Brussels, and a completely non-responsive attitude to the wishes of the people not only in Rome and Madrid, but Brussels, whence stems much of Europe's current problems with the refugee crisis, which has hit both Italy and Spain particularly hard. It's that, plus the growing fiscal irresponsibility of their central governments and the fact that citizens are not listened to, that is driving the crisis. One reader here told me once that she felt her country had become "Spanistan," and was no longer Spain, not simply because of the refugee crisis, but because of the massive youth unemployment, drug problems, and an attitude in Madrid akin to Marie Antoinette's infamous "let them eat cake" statement.
The bottom line: big, unresponsive federal structures governed by unelected bureaucrats choking things in a blizzard of regulations and policies inimical to the national interest isn't working. And when governments no longer listen, revolutions, tyrannies, secessionist movements grow, particularly if there is a strong local history and tradition such as one sees in Catalonia or Veneto.
Ok... so where's the high octane speculation? Very simply, with but little modification, one could take the article and apply it to most of the West, where there has been secessionist talk in the USA itself, where the matter was supposedly "settled," and where little thought is given to the consequences of running governments according to the ideological playbooks of crony crapitalism for those at the top, and socialism for everyone else. And the issue is the same: what is being done with that tax money?
So what's my high octane speculation? Not only will these movements grow, but they're going to start "comparing notes" and "lists", and the big federated regional "structures" Mr. Globaloney constructed are going to be increasingly called upon to demonstrate that they're doing any good.
See you on the flip side...
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how exactly is tulsi gabbard not the next most powerful controlled opposition?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cGpTomOzyxI&feature=em-uploademail
she is just too good to not be. are they going to put her in place and then sit her down in the oval office to watch the jfk offing from a camera angle behind the grassy knoll?
This is a continuing story of governments not listening to it’s people. Governments are elected by the people and should follow the peoples wishes. But no, governments do what “They” want to do, and the EU is a classic example.
The EU will buckle and break up, it has to, this wonderful idea of a united Europe was DOOMED from the start, can anybody say……Madrid circular.
Control of the nation’s currency is essential.
[issuing a national public currency, not private]
W/O it a Nation State is effectively, dead in the water.
In others words, beholding to whomever issues its currency.
Elections become farcical
because the media, and currency
are NOT public insti tu tions.
They’re transnational corporate ent ities.
run by those who appoint the leadership
[w/inside factions vying for control].
Bring back Public Government;
kick-out the corporate fascists.
how. the fascists are not gonna let you count the vote. unless of course they’re looking for controlled opposition
Yes ZDB,
the corporate fascism is their choice of governance since it was inked at Bretton Woods about 73 years ago. Corporate fascism is pretty entrenched globally; although their global consti tu tion hit the Trump speed bum, they’re still moving in that direction.
Underneath that “chosen” form; is the maestro string masters’ masterpiece, orchestrating the enslavement of mankind, in a total spectrum dominance[mind control, in some territories, where permitted under law].This is but a glimpse their ear-to-ear sinister technological GRIN – behind their footprinted, bar-coded signature-stamp, upon the face of humanity[if, indeed, they’ve left any trace of it – you can place your bets on either will a museum and,or a privatized zoo.]
Global con sti ti tion = TPP
Trump speed bump
With all the secessionist talk coming out at about the same time and with rumours that Darth Soros is funding the Catalans I think that all this could well be an Op. Best to be cautious, observant and remain sceptical.
The question of “why now?” is always interesting. Dr. Farrell forwarded speculation that bankers in Catalan are trying to position themselves favorably post-Brexit. There is a “United States of Europe” proposed by the late beer giant CEO Freddy Heineken that splits countries into smaller population groups (5-10 million persons). https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_United_States_of_Europe,_A_Eurotopia%3F
https://euobserver.com/opinion/117123
http://foreignpolicy.com/2009/05/26/tuesday-map-heinekens-eurotopia/
http://bigthink.com/strange-maps/386-my-kingdom-for-a-beer-heinekens-eurotopia
Cheers!
Thanks for the Heineken-Eurotopia reference, I didn’t know about it! Of course that specific plan was doomed since it involved breaking up Germany too…
Well, I suppose it depends on who is pushing the implementation. Germany would be very interested if they remained intact or German speakers held the reins of power at the supra-national level. The US would be very interested to eliminate any possibility of independent policy from “Europe” (read Germany).
yep. just another controlled opposition. like blm and antifa and…
didn’t rockheads finance greenpeace and exxon? pro life and pro abortion?….
The Colonies of the Breakaway Civilization/ Deep State/International Banking Cartel are doing what; historically, the oppressed do w/o any redress/representation. The Rulers the set up false flags for more control measures; further enslaving their subjects to extract their wealth, and that of the planet.
Either we change the paradigm to Living Wealth, or the corporate bots extracting a dead rock, Earth – will deplete it of all living wealth & the soul of its being.
Well, actually Catalonia (rhymes with Freedonia and has about the same staying power and brain trust running it, apparently) is totally on board with the cultural Marxist-PC/SJW/cultural-suicide-by-immigration globalist worldview. They’re not escaping from all that, they’re running to embrace it and Madrid is far more conservative as things go.
The driver of all these euro succession and regionalist aspirations is ultimately the Euro itself, which only benefits Germany through cheap exports and which is overpriced for the lagging southern tier states and is slow-killing them economically.
So strongly cohesive regions like Lombardy and the Veneto which are net “haves” are feeling the pinch and are becoming more and more loathe to share with the have-nots. What do Venetians really have in common with Neapolitans, other than a language, and why should they subsidize them, they ask themselves?
More broadly though, the whole globalist-NWO-Zio-Marxist Animal Farm technocracy is just a big obsolete white elephant. It’s a political dodo and will ultimately collapse, but not until after the rabid ideologues pushing it down our throats have inflicted untold mayhem and suffering along the way to irrelevancy. Advances in technology should rightly spur increasing power toward the individual and small collective, not toward the global, as this is most responsive and efficient. They’re fighting a losing battle, which is why they must lie about literally everything.
Nicely put.
Basta, I think you may find this interesting.
https://www.corbettreport.com/episode-297-china-and-the-new-world-order/
This as well.
https://www.corbettreport.com/episode-322-what-is-sustainable-development/
basta, for over a decade, i’m growing more certain that the “whole globalist-NWO-Zio-Marxist Animal Farm technocracy” (tRUMP-barry-dubya-slickwilli-poppy-ron headrest-….) were all lying all the time about everything including when they told us the truth. now i’m recognizing it goes back further than that. at least to lincoln. it’s kind of a version of arlington road. just getting involved lets bad folk use you as well as if you were one of them. whether you are one of them or not. neil sanders’ “your thoughts are not your own – v1 and 2” put more proofs to it.
what i’m getting to here is that we’re all a bit beyond conspiracy or not conspiracy arguments. even anti-conspiracy folk admit they’re wrong now. the argument most often held seems to be stepping toward a childhoods end or not scenario. we can no longer argue that there is no larger power than we have mustered so far going around constantly mucking with us.
there seems to be some entity with bad intent for us that seems to have way more power of perception and influence than we do. my first thought is what’s your freaking point? if you have that much of an advantage, why dya gotta muck about. feels like watching a genius assassinating ants with magnifying glass for hours on end. at some point, it’s too much work.
ok i feel better. rant is somewhat ranted. perhaps the whole intent with all these lies and liars is to give the illusion that we’re dealing with some larger more powerful entity when in fact we’re not. perhaps we’re not dealing. perhaps we’re doing it to ourselves? wetico? perhaps we’re dealing with a parasite that is much weaker and smaller and impotent? kinda like when stink bugs swarm you in laundry, bathroom, garage, yard,…. the stink gets everywhere. makes it impossible to get clean enough to not stink at work,….. and then someone figures out to catch the bugs in a small easy cheap homemade trap and feed them to our pullets.
alright everyone. where are the baby chicks we can use for these whole globalist-NWO-Zio-Marxist Animal Farm technocrats? (gnwozm?)
gads i love moderation
not that kinda moderation
ah the mod. almost got it by him/her/zher? i feel like such a sinner. maybe that’s just another hit for winston from room 101.
basta, for over a decade, i’m growing more certain that the “whole globalist-NWO-Zio-Marxist Animal Farm technocracy” (tRUMP-barry-dubya-slickwilli-poppy-ron headrest-….) were all lying all the time about everything including when they told us the truth. now i’m recognizing it goes back further than that. at least to lincoln. it’s kind of a version of arlington road. just getting involved lets bad folk use you as well as if you were one of them. whether you are one of them or not. neil sanders’ “your thoughts are not your own – v1 and 2” put more proofs to it.
what i’m getting to here is that we’re all a bit beyond cons == –piracy or not cons– piracy arguments. even anti-cons– piracy folk admit they’re wrong now. the argument most often held seems to be stepping toward a childhoods end or not scenario. we can no longer argue that there is no larger power than we have mustered so far going around constantly mucking with us.
there seems to be some entity with bad intent for us that seems to have way more power of perception and influence than we do. my first thought is what’s your freaking point? if you have that much of an advantage, why dya gotta muck about. feels like watching a genius as
sas sina ting ants with magnifying glass for hours on end. at some point, it’s too much work.
ZDB,
…or there is a deeper game going on
than we can even begin to imagine.
there seems to be some entity with bad intent for us that seems to have way more power of perception and influence than we do. my first thought is what’s your freaking point? if you have that much of an advantage, why dya gotta muck about. feels like watching a genius assas— sinating ants with magnifying glass for hours on end. at some point, it’s too much work.
there seems to be some ent ity with bad intent for us that seems to have way more power of perception and influence than we do. my first thought is what’s your freaking point? if you have that much of an advantage, why dya gotta muck about. feels like watching a genius as sas sin ating ants with magnifying glass for hours on end. at some point, it’s too much work.
ok i feel better. rant is somewhat ranted. perhaps the whole intent with all these lies and liars is to give the illusion that we’re dealing with some larger more powerful ent ity when in fact we’re not. perhaps we’re not dealing. perhaps we’re doing it to ourselves? wetico? perhaps we’re dealing with a parasite that is much weaker and smaller and impo tent? kinda like when stink bugs swarm you in laundry, bathroom, garage, yard,…. the stink gets everywhere. makes it impossible to get clean enough to not stink at work,….. and then someone figures out to catch the bugs in a small easy cheap homemade trap and feed them to our pullets.
alright everyone. where are the baby chicks we can use for these whole globalist-NWO-Zio-Marxist Animal Farm technocrats? (gnwozm?)
that’s amazing. i got it past the mod? and it was the word e n t i ty?
that is so stupid. jade helm look out.
so folks for mucking up the format at making this page so hard to read. see what too much determination can do?
en t i ty. really.
that was sorry folks….
ZDB, I believe the word “enti ty” (used twice) got you. Anything with ‘ti t’ in it goes straight to moderation. I’m going to try the word “assassinating” you used as-is deliberately, because I am curious whether ‘as s’ is a mod word. Let’s see…
No moderation on “assassinating”! So ‘ass’ is probably not a mod word. Curiouser and curiouser…
Just tried ‘ass’ directly, in testing mode. No mod (!) for the record.
Living in Belgium I can only state that the country does not even resemble a Belgium from a decade ago. The country is falling apart at the seems and bearly holding together due to working people forty years and up holding it together.
Expertise is dwindling so fast that working longer years has more to do with that loss of expertise than the so-called pension pay problem.
So many people arrived that can’t do the job that the more experienced have to take over, it is becoming ridiculous. Basically, legions of people get paid for a job they are not doing and not required to do. I have to understand why they can’t and I need to step in and do it in their sted.
As a nurse, I now do also bathroom and toilet maintenance, dishwashing etc…
Duties in other words I have never had to do!!!
I don’t trust the elites of non-Western countries exactly but the elites or rather parasites of the Western countries are bananas and effectively creating bankrupt banana republics!
The more non-Western countries get their act together Europe will see a reverse migration. People going back to their own countries from whence they came.
Europe will be left with Isis people who don’t have any place to go and the Ukro nazis.
Bright prospect indeed!
Reverse migration of Romanians going back home from Italy is already taking place – I see this in the town where I live.
Origin of civilization is, and will always be, a transition from “clan rule” to a “truce within tripwire”. And the process of redefining civilization will always return to origin.
Forerunner of civilization is natural state. It does not mean that civilization is unnatural. Only that state is rooted in nature, and must return to it’s roots to prevail.
The ideology that created Europe is coded into the Druid Runes of Britain. They are the foundation Stone of Europe. Hakenkreuz & Pyramid.
On the one hand, the “Northern League” in Italy is against weaponised immigration; but on the other, with a few exceptions in that milieu, they are not clearly explaining the topic of weaponised immigration to the public, and focus mainly on more “visible” problems such as petty (and not so petty) crime linked to immigrants. The heyday of Northern League secessionism was in the 1990s under Mr Bossi (now retired from politics following a stroke) with a very pro-German stance. This game is up thank’s to Merkel. As for the recent regional referenda, results for “independence” were not very encouraging (voting was digital and that would be a whole separate chapter). Veneto was more in favour, while Milan results rejected any sort of separatism.
Another difference with the Catalans (and the SNP in Scotland for that matter) is the strong sentiment against the euro and the EU (the recent Statista poll showed Italy to be the country least in favour of the Brussels bureaucrats).
Then there is the drive for more regional say on tax money. While this is legitimate, being “chronically skeptical”, I would suggest that while in Veneto they want to keep more of their assets, they would not hesitate, in case of some event like the flooding of the Po River etc., to call for help from the much-maligned central government, i.e. unload the more awkward liabilities on somebody else.
Finally, will some of the globalist factions try to play the secessionist card in Italy? I’m sure they will, but will find it harder after the Barcelona debacle.