KANSAS CITY MAYOR TO CHURCHES: TURN OVER YOUR RECORDS
So many people spotted this story and sent it along that I have to talk bout it, so I'll just jump right in:
I wish I could say that I'm shocked, surprised, or appalled.
I am appalled, but not shocked, or surprised. What, really, did we expect to be the end result of a "constitutional process" cooked up by a bunch of 18th century Anglican deists, New England secularized Calvinists, and freemasons who had been tasked to fix the articles of confederation, and who promptly seized the opportunity to create an entirely different form of government, and for whom the Bill of Rights was just an afterthought, and one forced on them by the anti-federalists? Ponder that one a moment: it's a simple little fact, one that most Americans basically "know", and yet, few are really disturbed about. Well, it always disturbed me. If those rights were so important to the founding fathers, why weren't they front and center, right from the start, right there in the preamble? I've always maintained that the ordo theologiae or "order of theology," the ordering of concepts, was as important as the concepts themselves. In this case, those important concepts, those "fundamental rights" had to be added as amendments. Ponder the implications of that ordo theologiae for a moment, and let them sink in. They're not good implications. Again, what, really, did we expect when Lyndon Johnson basically forced churches to become 501c3 corporations, and then boasted that he had forever emasculated them?
Don't think that it's just a problem for, and caused by, Democrats. Ponder the following scenario: What would happen if, say, certain churches, on the basis of centuries' old doctrine and understandings of the Incarnation and work of Christ, were suddenly to denounce American foreign policy toward Israel as being incompatible with that teaching, and that there is no "special theological status" for that nation based upon the conclusions of American evangelicalism's flirtations with dispensational theology? Or to put that point differently: why is it that when one sees Christians in the high places of power in America in association with the other political party, that one does not see any traditional Lutherans, traditional Anglicans, Roman Catholics, Orthodox Catholics, Copts, and so on, but sees only those adhering to evangelical dispensationalism and to a form of Protestantism that would have not only been totally unrecognizable to a Luther or a Calvin or a Bishop Andrewes, but denounced by them as a heresy?
No. What really matters is the worship of the genius of
Roman American administration. Burn the incense, worship Caesar, and we'll leave you alone. And by the way, turn over your records so we can spy on you more effectively. Not for nothing do some ancient canon laws make it an excommunicable offense to "alienate the property of the church," which - take note - would include her records.
There's a lesson in that, for Rome could only hold its polyglot empire together by dictatorship, and we know how that ended.
So am I surprised by the mayor of Kansas City's sweeping power grab and blatant circumscription of the Bill of Rights? Not at all. They're ammendments, afterthoughts, for these people.
See you on the flip side.
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“demolished with explosives? ”
as Trump knew and said ON that day.
Leonard Cohen(cidence) sings, Everybody Knows.
(but nobody does anything about it).
Ooops, late to the party.
My “church” is considered a new religious movement. We follow Christ and Jesus in a mystical way. When it was incorporated in 1971, the founder set it up to have only 3 or 4 legal “members.” Decades later I asked top management about that. They said it was to protect the congregation. It made sense then. It gives great comfort now.
One would think that there’s enough problems with how its [biblical teachings and prophecy] been interpreted, edited, and divided over the centuries. Now this clamp down (more like confiscation after first imposing) of digitized data delirium that still needs to be socially understood.
Very Interesting… the spiritual community was and is deemed non-essential during all the fear carnage.
Ryne-Stafas reflect a world view, seen through the eyes of a child, in Druidic nursery rhymes.
Christianity is essentially an otherworldly view, understood only through mind of child.
Cy-Rice (church) was “cows’ domain”, the kindergarten, and was taken over by papal agents.
Imperial occupants are lying snakes with gunboats, throwing dice beneath the cross.
Quis Custodiet Ipsos Custodes (“Who Guards the Guardians?’) has always been the problem. Cautionary ‘observations’ from Jim Stone:
” When it comes to the good of this nation, and prosecuting actual corruption, nothing will be done. Everyone in Washington has known since Vince Foster the Clintons were killers and nothing got done…
And subsequently, 9/11 proved the corruption is so deep no one will be touched. Do you really think the FBI overlooked the fact that [WTC] Building 7 – which housed their own headquarters at the time – was demolished with explosives? How’d they miss Larry Silverstein going live on PBS stating he gave the order to ‘pull it’?
How about this: Do you really think someone totally rigged the FBI’s world headquarters with demolition charges from top to bottom, and they did not notice someone was in their own building doing that? They probably did it themselves. Anyone who would think that could happen without them noticing is a fool; that alone says the FBI itself was involved in 9/11. And that one thing alone proves they cannot be worked with, and that they are the enemy of the American people.
…the system is lost and has been for decades.”
wish I could argue with that. a fail at security for their own offices show incompetency or corruption for the folk most responsible for security of the government. incompetence or corruption at an impossible level. another double bind. cognitive dissonance.
“It is difficult to get a man to understand something, when his salary depends on his not understanding it.”
~ Upton Sinclair
HAH!! Too Right!!! It’s ALWAYS….Follow The Money, isn’t it?!!! 😉
He would know. He made a living as a muckraker and as a member of one America’s wealthy founding families.
Still believe the majority are good people being duped. At least, that’s my gut telling me they don’t like it anymore than many here at this site. Some are resigning; others, fighting from w/in. That’s the system that working; the living, breathing, people who love life and despise those that take pleasure in destroying communities and families
I actually believe this. It’s like The X-Files where Mulder has scented the ‘Syndicate’ or shadow government and is trying to cope/survive/reveal against entrenched forces. Many in the FBI/CIA/NSA/etc. are likely various degrees of Mulder & Scully.
(There is a reason why The X-Files was re-directed in later seasons away from pursuing the ‘Syndicate’ or shadow government and into chasing the Black Oil alien virus. It was getting a little too revealing…)
“were suddenly to denounce American foreign policy toward Israel as being incompatible ”
Like Chuck Baldwin? Interesting that most people who consider themselves Christian have NEVER heard of that point of view isn’t it.
Thanks Joseph you took the word out of my mouth heresy. But the evangelicals along with many other protestant denominations were considered heretical. This looks like these useful idiots have outlived their use to the real masters of the world. To paraphrase first the came for the indigenous people belief system and I SAID NOTHING because I believe in the true god. And they didn’t you can fill in the rest. then they came for me because I WAS THE ONLY ONE LEFT. Welcome everyone to the NWO YOU ARE TO BE ASSIMULATED INTO THE BORG COLLECTIVE RESISTENCE IS FUTILE.
evil intent abounds – how else to splain obvious lies
Hydroxychloroquine versus Remdesivir
Oh, yes. This one’s an oldie. This one didn’t go over so well, either. It was practically unenforceable. For the moment…
Why is this one different? Another “war” declaration…
Met Ms Parker several times while living in Houston. She was a regular guest speaker at the Shell Oil LGBT Steering Committee meetings I attended while working there. Always campaigning and seeking support for various political campaigns…starting with City Treasurer, then Mayor. Graduated from Rice University and Harvard’s Kennedy Government infiltration programs.
ZDB: By this I mean, if you want to get the evangelical community to support you, let the POTUS declare a “war” against the right thing. Trump declared “war” against the virus…
Doc, you may or may not be known for jumping off twigs. I may or may not be known for a reach here and there. Maybe the same thing. Just the same, how much of a reach is it to see a trend in the news we get lately:
Germany Plans To Arm Drones Under Cover Of COVID-19 Crisis
Has he made the same request to Masonic Lodges? Just asking….
That’s the ticket Dana!
Even Quasimodo couldn’t breach that
Sacred, Hollier Than Thou Sanctuary of Lodges.
That may be akin to shooting oneself in the foot.(just an opinion)
The only ones exempt from records checks are yours truly, governments. Everyone is a suspect criminal/terrorist except yours truly, The King, er., governments. All subjects have only the rights given to them by the WHO & CDC by dictates.
There, now I can read something other than the headline.
Now that I’ve had a chance to cool down, I can read the post[s]. The reason I’m getting so upset[let me count the ways infinitum] is that first they come for the churches; first they come for the sick; first they come for the homeless ; and most sane people know the way that all ends:
Then they come for you.
Another concept they’re afraid of is Samuel Adams talking to his students; in replying to a question of the American Revolution of 1776. He replied, The revolution didn’t happen in 1776. It happened long ago on the fields where ever people gathered, in bars, in churches, at the crossroads. By 1776, the revolution had already occurred in the hearts and minds of the people. All it took was a spark; a shot heard around the world.
An old tripe like here we go again; or, or their ’emergency powers’, their ‘because of national security’, their trump cards. Speaking of Trump; will the ‘real’ Trump please stand up, as we all wait w/bated breath, to see which one will stand up for the liberty & justice for all TV scripted ad nauseum ending?
Begin your first term, Mr. President.
Enforce The Bill of Rights.
The Parasites HAVE to be exposed….most “normies” have no clue how deep the corruption has buried itself!!
What was the % of “Americans” who really wanted to split with the King???
So true, the only document that stands tall is The declaration of Independence. Sadly, the U.S. Constitution is a black mirror magic trick; were it not for The Bill of Rights. Too bad, the Jefferson’s monopoly one didn’t make it.[a good book on that is: Cracks In the Constatution(modulated spelling) by Ferdinand Lundberg].
Yes, the so-called U.S. democracy is chalk full of oxymoron’s like an incorporated church. The whole governance shebang is one huge oxymoron machine; now weaponized w/AI oxymoronic 3rd generation algorithms/
Yes, only the church’s twisted sisters are governmentally knighted[as, theoretically, there is no King].
A very good Alex Trebek question would be:
Which Bill of Right are still left
after 9/11 & Covid19?
Alex, ask it.
That question would be left on the cutting room floor; w/The U.S. Bill of Rights.
Well said, Dr. Farrell. Well said, indeed. Of course, the intent of those deists was to not lay any claim to individual freedoms enumerated. Flexibility was their political goal–and the modern branch of “liberals” are slowly forcing the elimination of these “rights” contained in the amendments. I was fortunate enough to be taught civics by someone who thought more like you than most of my peers realized at the time, and he was very instrumental in my thinking on these issues. It’s going to be interesting to see how often this happens–and how vigorous churches will comply. I’m appalled at the lack of ecclesiastical criticism of these power abuses in the political sphere. More to the point, I am disgusted. On this one, though, I look at the glass as half-full. Some may wake up when they see the fraud–and take steps to not be fooled again. How many will it take to blunt the next operation?
Oh, BTW, by “liberals” I don’t mean just progressives nor any particular party. The Bill of Rights contained serious brakes to the limits of governmental authority, and liberals share the goal of eroding those to non-existence. So I am very much aware of those in both parties whose goals are clearly in view.
Ummm….as a college major in political science, while studying the origin of our constitution, I don’t remember having a discussion regarding the significance of the Bill of Rights being added as amendments instead of being included in the body of the Constitution….there were the Federalists and the Anti-federalists, the difference being the dispersion of power.
And the Evangelical connection is enlightening…thx
On the first, I am not surprised. As for the second, I’m as dumb-founded as you as to why the majority are not screaming. Then again, evangelicalism has been thoroughly secularized since September, 2001. I bet you can figure out how this happened.
I suspect due to the need to make living…..
The clerical class is willing to suppress the obvious due to 1) seminary indoctrination 2) the possible drying up of church funds without the 501 classification. No tax benefit for giving to maintain church administration salaries and the best and biggest building and grounds…frailty of the human ego? See below from Wikipedia.
My understanding of US history is the churches were made tax exempt as a condition of not interfering in politics. Also surrounding citizens were required to pay tithe, finally the tithe was allowed to be pledged to the church of choice. Prior custom was only one dominant church in the area received the tithe.
Due to the tax deductions associated with donations, loss of 501(c)(3) status can to be highly challenging if not fatal to a charity’s continued operation, as many foundations and corporate matching funds do not grant funds to a charity without such status, and individual donors often do not donate to such a charity due to the unavailability of the deduction.
That’s not what I had in mind, and frankly, I think that practice will come to an end. Most criticism from the evangelical community ended with that little incident involving vaporized buildings in NYC. All of a sudden it became proper to be patriotic again. Most churches believe they will eventually lose their tax-free status already. The “war” hypothesis does wonders…
Ryne-Stafas are antipodal to empire.
Neither can exist, while the other survives.
Dark papal lord is gathering forces.
Horcruxes are mid-tides of sundial.
For some reason, your comment made me think of the recent 2nd interview Kerry Cassidy had with Cyrus A. Parsa….it was like pulling teeth & there were certain things he simply would NOT talk about, I’m assuming, because he knows Too Much & cannot endanger his own life.
Then I think of my Favorite Rocket Scientist, David Adair, who is of the opinion that what is going on is simply a war between two pair of 1 %ers???
I often wonder, who REALLY owns this planet & are we just Someone Else’s property, as Charles Fort says??
Why, you know who our owners are…Enki and Enlil. Word is they’re on their way back to the neighborhood; wonder if they’ll recognize the place or it’ll be flood time again?