ISRAEL, CHURCHES, AND CONGRESSIONAL AID: MORE HIGH OCTANE SPECULATION
First, consider this:
Hallelujah: Traditional Churches Challenge Congress On Gift Money To Israel
I'm one of those that is genuinely grateful to be living in a country that is secular, for like it or not, secularism affords an unprecedented degree of freedom and tolerance, though as we all know, liberty (and I do not confuse freedom and liberty) is under assault in it. It allows religious expression, but doesn't sanction any particular version of it, though, in recent years, it has made of secularism something of a religion in an of itself, with ludicrous strictures against menorahs or creche scenes on public property.
And there's no denying that one political party in this country has become the party of "religion" and "family values" and, as the article avers, "Judeo-Christianity" with its underpinning of dispensationalist "theology" and an almost unquestioning support for Israel, no matter what the latter does. (That party being the Grand Old Plop, in case you didn't know). The other party in this country, conversely, like the first one, both pimps God when convenient to it (usually during elections), but otherwise seems hell-bent to deny any acknowledgement of the vast influence of religion in our history and culture and seems to go out of its way to offend people of faith (any faith), at every opportunity. (That would be the Dummycrooks).
In that context, I've never understood U.S. foreign policy, for it seems oddly schizophrenic for a "secular" culture, witness our long-standing support for Israel, a clearly Zionist state, and our current policy of backing extremist regime changes in the Middle East. While Zionism, in my opinion, is itself more a secular doctrine than a religious one, such a foreign policy seems contradictory. If Congress is not empowered to make any law respecting the establishment of a religion or the prohibition thereof at home, isn't it something of a contradiction to pass budgets for the effective establishment of them abroad?
Perhaps.
But as I read this, a disturbing though crossed my mind, one which co-author Scott DeHart and I talked about and briefly suggested inYahweh, the Two-Faced God, namely, if one's long term goal would be to establish a kind of global secularist culture, then what would stand in the way of that? Answer: the three great Yahwisms, two of which - Judaism and Islam - in their "founding documents" remain unreconstructed barbarisms. What better way, then, to achieve your goal, than to allow both to slip into more extreme expressions of fundamentalism, conflict, and war, the better to demonstrate their growing irrelevancy in the modern world?
If that's the game, then they're good at it, and don't expect the churches questioning support of Israel to go along with that. To do so, is to misread them.
See you on the flip side.
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F in C:
The more you post the more you make my case for me. You really haven’t been paying attention for at least 10 years, probably longer. And all you can do is quote what others tell you to think.
Clearly you haven’t read much JPF either.
Yaj,
I didn’t know Dr. Farrell wrote books. Thanks for the lead. I like to keep books around my house for when guests come over to make it look like I’m reading them. Sometimes I’ll even carry one under my arm when I go to the coffee shop to look smart.
I also want to apologize for lashing out at you. You being so smart and me being just a thick skulled goy, I guess I am just envious. I hope you can forgive me.
If we don’t chat between now and Christmas, have a great one. I know many young suburban male yahwehists from your sect like to rip up nativity scenes and tear down Christmas lights this time of year (when you are not spray painting swastikas on your synagogue) , but just be careful and don’t get caught. These incidents are becoming a real headache for Mr. Foxman and its getting harder to explain them away as anti-semitism.
The right way, the wrong way and the yahweh. Oy veh!
define family values??? so you care for your offspring a great deal and you want them to be fulfilled and happy right? what does that have to do with religion? falwell vs post hippies or puritans vs free love ginsburgian collectivists begun this caustic culture war…sure theres more to it…can’t prove negatives.where is kennedy vs goldwater??that would be utopia compared to this world without reason.so this is progressive…so is alcoholism/drug addiction.
I’ll drink to that
Off topic , but high octane nonetheless:
http://videohype.com/?videos=dr-steven-greer-the-truth-about-the-end-of-nasas-shuttle-program
The new paganism in the gods of market & supply under the all powerful Profit God are the marketeers marching all over the world’s government replacing elected official with Goldman Sachs technocrats(modern theocrats of the Profit God). The Israel Lobby speaking Godly(money is free speech) coomandments to congress; only now to be conterweighted by Saudi $$$ & Chineese $$$ speaking transnational dollars(Citizens vs United). The Us Government is engineered now for International Lobbyists on the U.S. citizen’s dollar. Spilling U. S. citizen’s sons & daughter blood for the all mighty Profit God of money talks(Corpoations are people and money is free speech. This is the “new” religion.
And where are the teatard types to remind us of the secular US when someone proposes putting some symbol of Islam in a public space?
They’re screaming about imposing their deeply offensive and inaccurate idea of christianity up the US’s citizenry. The actions of the hateful some are a good reason to keep creches, etc off public property.
Considering the gullibility and generally low intellect of the unchristian zionist evangelical crowd, is it possibly a new and better religion could be fostered on them after the “end times” goes out with a bust and they are not raptured and Israel is not triumphant but instead becomes the global pariah?
I was thinking in terms of bringing back the old time religion and replacing Israel and yahweh worship with worship of the Sun. I believe all that it would require is writing a new Bible, in the fashion of Scofield, where Jesus is hailed as the Son of the Sun and the Sun is held up as the Creator instead of that impotent Yahweh. I could see John Hagee now heralding Jesus’s birth on the return of His Father the Sun during the winter solstice with great exuberance.
I know this would be anathema to Dr. Farrell but it would be, I believe, a much more difficult prospect to get them to worship some kind of Rain God. That would truly be pushing it. I don’t even know if there any stories in the Gospels about Jesus getting rained on.
While I know we (Giza people) look down on social engineering, I do believe this would be a step in the right direction and worshipping the Sun definitely has its merits along with being time tested, not confusing nor schizophrenia inducing.
Is this letter really just an attempt by the main line Churches to put pressure on the Jerusalem water supply company that handed them that outrageous bill for Church of the Holy Sepulchre?
http://rt.com/news/jerusalem-church-water-bill-conflict-488/
It was only a matter of time before the gentile world started using the tactics used on them by the Chosen crowd.
This recent Gaza Ghetto Uprising is one helluva a publicity stunt. Could the Israelis look any worse in the eyes of the world? Perfectly timed with the European strikes so the protestors could have one more thing to fume about over their wine and cheese– the monstrous and hypocritical Israelis! I really think Netanyahu is self-hating or he works for the Russians or NI. I’ve even met some FOX news zombies who are disillusioned and questioning this brutality. Has somebody seized control of the brainwashing flicker rate mechanisms at the networks and is now programming them against the zionists? I love that interview over at Daily Bell with that ridiculous living breathing mealy mouthed caricature of Henry Ford’s International Jew. Is the Daily Bell openly trying to instigate a pogrom as well? Is the world really a conspiracy AGAINST Jews? David Goldman was the poster child of the people you love to hate. What arrogance. Truly loathsome.
If you were trying to set up a global police state and needed a cause that would make the most inflexible, liberty minded people give up their rights (temporarily of course) I could think of no better way than to go public with the zionist’s numerous crimes against mankind, including 9/11 (whether they were the main conspirators or not). I think the world would be so outraged they would demand a global dragnet using any means necessary.
This is not a rant. I’m just the barking dog warning the majority of decent, law abiding jews that you are being set up… again.
http://www.gaiamtv.com/video/laughology?chan=WNews&utm_source=WNews&utm_medium=Email&utm_campaign=subscriber#preview/28014
I would like to challenge congress to gift money to Germany. Why not? Germany is our NATO ally. Just like Israel! Germany has been treated very badly and people have called them Nazis and even stolen their gold. Germany is peaceful, and yet the mass media assaults them. This, to me, is evidence of a sinister plan in the works to round up German Americans. It could happen. Any day now! I would suggest a more humane policy towards Germany, and adopting a more reasonable philosophy of “Germany can do no wrong.” This should be taught in schools, and churches. Why not send money to help out a poor German family? Who cares if you’re poor yourself? If you send money the Norse gods will love you! People need to learn that we all secretly have an evil hatred of Germans, but these negative tendencies can be corrected with the proper administration of guilt and self loathing. Also I would suggest that a more reasonable alternative to “The Chosen Race” might be, “The Master Race.” Why not? It is clear from various Theosophical writings, that the ancestors of Germans were once friends of the benevolent Hyperboreans. On the other hand, Yahweh has been very antagonistic and mean and cruel. I would suggest that a much more reasonable alternative to Christian Zionism would be Arisophy. Also, Guido Von List would be a much better choice for an iconic patriarch than the fiction of Moses, who really is just a ripped off story about Sargon. Really?, a much better alternative to the bible, which is just an elaborate fiction, interwoven and combined with a re-edit of texts stolen from other cultures, would be the writings of Von List and other Arisophists. Also, Germany has been a much better friend to the U.S. than Israel has been. We could start by giving back Germany’s gold. Then give Germany all the gold. Also, arm Germany to the teeth. Germany needs nukes too, and any illegalities of Germany having nukes are not something that should be talked about. Anytime Germany uses force of any kind, it’s totally reasonable, and it’s because Germany “has the right to defend itself.” We need to set up lobbying organizations in the U.S. and fund them with lots of money, so that they can send representatives that will represent Germany’s interests instead of the interests of the U.S. Really?, the U.S. only exists to serve Germany’s interests, and anyone who doesn’t think so, is someone who just wants to kill Germans. We need to encourage representatives and bureaucrats to become German dual citizens, so they can better represent Germany’s interests. Then appoint them as heads of committees that will weed out terrorists who want to attack Germany. The mark of a good American politician is their willingness to serve Germany’s interests. Really?, there is no such thing as serving the interests of the U.S., but rather it’s a matter of degrees of willingness to serve Germany’s interests. Germany is a mythological land of milk and honey. Serve Germany well and when the Apocalypse comes, you will be saved in the rapture! Donar “saves”!!! Really? Jesus “saves” Really? Sometimes I get this other strange idea that maybe the U.S. should just be the U.S. and represent the interests of the U.S. and it’s poor bankrupt penniless citizenry who have worked all their lives, and lost everything. Maybe people’s popular mythology belongs in their church and not in my government? Really? That’s just silly! The Christian Zionist quotes Thomas Jefferson, with some strange notion that Jefferson believed in your liberty to chase your mythology, as it relates to the pursuit of life liberty and the interests of a foreign entity with full representation in government. How come they omit the fact that it was Mr. Jefferson who proposed the idea of “The wall between church and state?” In his letter to the Danbury Baptist Association he says, “Believing with you that religion is a matter which lies solely between Man and his God, that he owes account to none other for his faith or his worship, that the legitimate powers of government reach actions only, and not opinions, I contemplate with sovereign reverence that act of the whole American people which declared that their legislature should ‘make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof,’ thus building a wall of separation between Church and State.”
Tor,
by being so pathetically and glaringly slavish to the Israelis, who is to say we are not ultimately serving the German’s interests? I know it pisses me off to no end and you too.
Is Germany’s growing encirclement of Israel with tanks just a coincidence as they dutifully and guilelessly serve the Anglo elite? Or will we one day see German tanks roll into Tel Aviv?
Lots of atrocities in WWII which would be hard to forget and forgive.
Frankie,
My rant is of course, a calculated absurdity, which I only use to make a point.
To me it seems that every time Israel commits an atrocity there is a group out there that says, “Just more proof that they are setting up the Jews, and they are going to start rounding them up any day now.” Everything that happens seems to be more proof that Jews are soon to be rounded up. Elites could be using tactics to get people angry at Jews as a group, or maybe it’s just Israel committing atrocities. I lean more toward the theory that elites want to kill off massive amounts of the human population, and I don’t see that killing Jews really does anything to accomplish that. For me, if I lived in China or India I would be worried. I don’t reject the idea that the “Apocalypse” and Israel is probably some kind of staging ground to try to drag the world into a World War, but I’m not really sure that it would have anything to do with rounding up Jews. Sacrifice some Jewish pawns? Sure, I can see it, but if they are going to be kicking off WW3, they are going to be killing all kinds of people. Don’t think they are going to be whacking the Rothschild or Warburg Jews. For that matter, rich Hollywood Jews, or Jewish CEOs. Sure, they will kill some Jew on the street, but they will kill me too. In the U.S. I think their efforts would be more geared toward getting rid of the elderly, and make way for fresh young military recruits, right out of high school. A bunch of nice young moldable minds. If Jews were really worried though, perhaps a good move to help ensure that they don’t get set up, would be for a group of concerned Rabbis to add their voice to the Christian letter. Something to the effect…”Although our respective doctrines of our churches and synagogues may disagree on the matter of the Christ, we agree with the spirit of the letter and we too reject Zionism, both in its Christian and Jewish form, and also Israel’s atrocities.” Could start a massive outcry from all corners, against this kind of thing.
Tor,
After being robbed by the Rothschild zionists numerous times (Lehman bros., MF Global to name a few) and after being nearly blown up by them on 9-11, I decided a to subscribe to this notion that a clever trap is being laid to ensnare them by other disgruntled victims. Its kind of like waiting for the Great Pumpkin I imagine although I do believe it has merit. Scapegoating International jews would be very useful to kick into high gear a global surveillance state. Cynically, the rank and file jew is the last man standing with the most cash. Therefore, in my estimation the most obvious next pigeon for looting. In the least it is a meme that I would like to weave into the superconscious. Maybe it will cause some of them to lose sleep at night.
It was interesting to read an article recently that listed India as one of the main culprits committing espionage against the US. Maybe they want to find out if the bankster puppet regime is planning an ethno-bomb against them in the near future? That would certainly spur any ethnic group to this kind of covert action.
I never completely subscribed to the theory that someone wants to depopulate the planet. In the end aren’t they just demons that feed off us psychically? The more victims to feed off the better. I always felt if they wanted to kill us all off they would have done it by now and then have the Chinese or Mexicans clean up the mess. And when that job was finished, the cleaners would be terminated as well and left to decompose or cleaned up by robots.
As always, I enjoy your insights.
F in C:
If you were dumb enough to invest in the scam known as high finance (MF Global and Lehman Bros stock) you got what was easily predictable and what you deserve.
Also the World Trade Towers were not blown up, by any standard definition of blowing something up.
So most of what you write here then either has to be a planted distraction or you really are silly enough to buy into the official conspiracy line put out to make sure many waste efforts chasing the wrong things.
Yaj,
Ouch! You zinged me good. And as a reward I will grant you and some of your family members asylum in my addict crawl space when that day of reckoning comes. It will not be free of course and I will need rent payment in gold or silver and the use of your female family members as “comfort women” for the Mexican laborers who work on the local farms. Sound horrible, huh? I must have been a bankster in a past life with thinking like that.
Yes, dumb enough to formerly make a living in an industry crawling with parasitic vipers and dumb enough to believe that the gentile’s rule of law would stand up to their evil machinations. Maybe parasitic vipers isn’t the write description. You are more like termites and after infesting a place you completely destroy it and leave yourselves out in the rain as well with nothing gained except the seething animosity of your off guard victims.
Regarding WTC being “blown up”, I consider it blown up as it was a fireball in the concourse lobby not long after the plane hit that killed four of my colleagues. Bombs or energy weapons are a minor point to me and only interesting in so far as Dr. Farrell’s speculations go of a third tier to the conspiracy. Truthfully, I don’t pay much attention to the technical details of the massacre but only whose fingerprints are on it and so far it only lead for me to your tribesmen. I am cognizant of the fact that you have latched onto to this faux expertise on energy weapons and alchemical gold production to give yourself some credibility as you troll this website and serve as a nuisance and impediment to the truth. The problem is you just are not convincing and it is clear you are just punching a time clock for Cass Sunstein.
As far as “buying into an official conspiracy line,” well, the official conspiracy that you should be aware of is that the defenders of Truth and Beauty have resurfaced to squash the forces chaos, lies, and ugliness such as yourself. The end is nigh. Repent, stop doing the devil’s work and save your soul.
F in C.
And dumb enough to think the a fire in the lobby suggests the means of destroying the World Trade Towers. And dumb enough to not realize that the technologies used to turn the WTC to dust can infact make gold, or silver–much more interesting things too.. No wonder you worked in finance, and no wonder you spout here.
What on earth makes you think that you can escape working in the fields to harvest your own food? Why would your “precious” metals be worth anything on an isolated farm.
Take some years to think about things. You’ve clearly waste many of the last ten years in actively ignoring actual evidence. Typical of a JBS spouting quoter.
Yaj,
I never said anything about the fireball taking down the WTC. I just stated that a fireball in the lobby killed four people I worked with and was witnessed by numerous others.
Regarding your other drivel, I have no idea what you are babbling about. You sound demented. Are you sure you did not contract syphilis when the ADL ordered you to infiltrate that gang of neo-nazi homosexuals and serve as a honey trap? You make no sense.
FinC:
See above regarding your proof of my point.
So I’m curious. Dr Farrell, how do you succinctly distinguish “liberty” from “freedom”? Please.
I too would like to hear what you mean about that.
A few thoughts on “Freedom” and “Liberty”:
1) “Freedom” is an ideal, an abstract value which, in the necessarily limiting presence of “Law”, is commodified into “Liberty” as qualitative liberties, rights, privileges, etc.
Liberties are traded, taxed, or bartered for Security or Equality or some other such ideal, dependent on the apparent terms of the social contract (“Law”).
2) When anything that is not expressly forbidden is permitted, we may easily confuse Liberty and Freedom.
If, however, anything that is not expressly permitted is forbidden, we are considerably less inclined to make the same mistake.
3) Liberty = (Freedom – Law)
Thanks for this. I had a somewhat different understanding, but always look forward to further understanding.
For me “freedom” is willed assent to divine truth. “”Know ye the truth, and the truth shall make ye free”.
Liberty has to do with “permission”: “Do not take liberties with my daughter, young sir!”
But I was hoping for Dr Farrell himself to comment, since he claims in the post above to know how to distinguish them.