SOME (POSSIBLY DISORGANIZED) THOUGHTS ON DR GREER'S LATEST ...
Dr. Steven Greer(MD) of the Disclosure Project is at it again in the latest issue of Nexus magazine (Vol 14, No 5, Sept-Oct 2007), with his latest in the series "Understanding the Reasons Behind UFO Secrecy." This time I'm afraid I must rather firmly part company with Dr. Greer, and I hope - lack of sleep, and the problems of disorganized thoughts associated with unpacking after a move notwithstanding - to make my reasons for doing so more or less clear.
The central thesis of Greer's article is reached on p. 58 of the magazine: "Continued secrecy on the UFO subject must be related, then, to ongoing anxiety related to the essential power dynamics of the world and how such a disclosure would impact these. That is, the knowledge related to the UFO/ET phenomenon must have such great potential for changing the status quo that its continued suppression is deemed essential at all costs." Dr. Greer then pinpoints the technological and scientific basis for these concerns in the next paragraph: "Going back to the early 1950s, we have found that the basic technology and physics behind these ET spacecraft were discovered through very intensive reverse-engineering projects. It was precisely at this point that the decision was made (sic) to increase the secrecy to an unprecedented level."
And the reason for this concern over the technology and physics that the UFO-ET phenomenon generated? Simple: "The basic physics behind the energy generation and propulsion systems was such that these systems could easily replace all existing energy generation and propulsion systems on the Earth - and with them, the entire geopolitical and economic order."(p. 58, emphasis added) This is a reasonable argument, and indeed, is one I have made myself in my various books.
But it is precisely here that Dr. Greer's analysis begins to break down, I believe, for he then indicates why he believes the disclosure of such physics and technology would cause major geopolitical and economic upheaval: "The inescapable fact is this: the disclosure of the ET presence would bring with it the certain release of these technologies - and that release would sweep away the entire technological infrastructure of the entire planet. The changes would be immense - and sudden."(p. 58, emphasis added.) There are, to my mind, two fallacies here, one logical, and the other analytical.
As to the logical fallacy, there is no necessary logical reason why disclosure of "the ET presence" should logically entail the disclosure of ET's physics and technology. To be sure, such a disclosure of the former might entail the probable disclosure of the latter. But if this is the case, Dr. Greer has provided no sufficient rationalization for why it should be so. He has merely asserted his belief that it is so. It may, indeed, be a reasonable belief, but Dr. Greer has failed to argue the case why disclosure of the one would lead ineluctably to the revelation of the other. Indeed, a case could be made that with his putative secret group's iron grip on UFO secrecy and compartmentalization of its projects, its grip would most likely extend to the media of information dissemination, and thus a limited disclosure of the "ET presence" is theoretically possible without a disclosure of the implied technology and physics. In other words, his "ET Disclosure" Faith is showing the signs of serious internal contradictions.
But this brings us to the second fallacy, the analytical fallacy, and to what I believe is the more serious problem in his quasi-religious faith in "the ET presence": the assumption that the disclosure of "ET technology", or, for that matter, of any exotic energy technology, whether ET or not, would be necessarily sudden and therefore bound to cause massive geopolitical and economic instability. Here again, Dr. Greer has simply asserted a position without argumentation. To be sure, a case could be argued that disclosure of such technologies would be sudden, and from that position, a further case could be argued that such sudden disclosure would be geopolitically and economically deleterious. However, that is precisely the point: such cases would have to be argued, and this, quite simply, Dr. Greer has failed to do.
It does not logically or automatically follow that disclosure of the physics and technology of "ET" would be necessarily sudden, nor, even if it were, that it would necessarily negatively impact the world geopolitically or economically. After all, the introduction of the automobile, the telephone, the airplane, the computer, were all relatively "sudden", but it took some time before these technologies became available to a wide enough segment of the world's population to impact its geopolitics, cultural habits, and economies.
Dr. Greer makes this leap of logic evident in the almost utopian descriptions of what such disclosure, in his opinion, would do to the world's culture and economies; "These decentralized, nonpolluting technologies will change that permanently. Even the deserts will bloom..." (p. 59). And thus, the "ET Presence" and its associated technologies and physics position themselves in Dr. Greer's presentation like some latter-day Isaiah, promising peace, prosperity, and above all, local sovereignties on the newly blooming and once-arid deserts of globalism's apocalypse.
But again, it is bald assertion, or, as is now evident, fiath in a post-apocalyptic energy utopia, and not an argued case, that has led to this statement. It is a pronouncement of faith, an article in what increasingly looks like an "ET-Disclosure Creed." Consider, how does it necessarily follow that free-energy technologies will lead to decentralization? Or be non-polluting? If, as Dr Greer says, "one must consider what will happen when every village in India (or Africa of South America or China) has devices that can generate large amounts of power without pollution and without spending huge sums of energy on fuel", then one must also consider the implications that the possession of such energy sources on such a localized basis could lead to a condition where such villages would have the ability to weaponize such energy. This would be the equivalent of making each village a thermonuclear superpower, able to rain global destruction and complete annihilation on any of its enemies, anywhere in the world. And note too the fallacy implied both in Dr. Greer's statement of his position, and in my own response to it. Dr. Greer seems to imply that the disclosure of the ET presence and its associated technologies will lead almost immediately - recall his use of the word "sudden" above - to this state of affairs. It never crosses his mind, and therefore never gets set down in the hard and fast words of his article, that this state of affairs may arrive only after some decades or even centuries of progress in the basic physics and technological applications. Again, he has not argued his case, but merely asserted it. Indeed, on reflection, it would seem that Dr. Greer describes a state of affairs more or less at the end stage of a technological development, rather than at its beginning, when a new science and its associated technologies have been refined, developed, and widely dispersed throughout a society. The same, therefore, holds true of my response concerning weaponization.
Again, this is without argumentation. Would such technologies necessarily be cheap enough for villages in South Africa or India or China even to afford? We do not know, for Dr. Greer has not, in this article at least, argued his case.
And finally, let us grant, for the sake of that all-important missing argumentation, all of Dr. Greer's implied postulates, namely:
1) that ET exists ;
2) that ET is the source of UFOs and their implied exotic technologies and physics; and,
3) that this implied technology and physics would upset the geopolitical and economic status quo, a point on which Dr. Greer and I are not disagreed, though for very different reasons.
But from all this it does not necessarily or logically follow that the "hidden, secretive global cabal" that controls this technology does not wish to disclose it because it would be a cheap technology affordable by such third world villages. Indeed, it does not even logically follow that this elite could not contrive means and methods for maintaining more or less a monopolistic hold on it, and selling it to the world accordingly, as it has done with other technologies in the past.
If all these musings be true in whole or in part, then Dr. Greer's case for the "reasons" behind UFO secrecy, as elaborated - not argued - in this most recent missive, collapse. This means that there must be reasons that Dr Greer as yet has either not guessed at, or that he wishes to avoid admitting or mentioning, and, alas, in my opinion it is the latter. If one grant, for the sake of argument once again, that Dr. Greer's postulates, as generally summarized above, are true, then it follows inevitably as a product of the very same science and technology that a means would exist for controlling such physics and energy for destructive purposes. This energy potential, as I have repeatedly argued, explored, outlined, surveyed and documented in my books, has a weaponization potential that would make a hydrogen bomb look like a kitchen match. And if it be true that it would be CHEAP and easy to disseminate to Third World villages, then Greer's secretive UFO-technology-suppression cabal would have ample, reasonable, and moreover ethical reasons for maintaining their secrecy, for the release of that technologywould create a proliferation nightmare for the globalist-powers-that-be. Their own self-survival would be imperiled, as Dr. Greer so clearly avers, but not for the reasons - or rather - unargued assertions - that he advances.
And this brings us to his last two, and most implortant, implied hypotheses, hypotheses running implicitly throughout his Nexus magazine series: 1) ET exists; and 2) ET is peaceful and benign. As to the first of these, the fact remains that in no instance of an alleged technological description of an allegedly recovered piece of "ET" technology, is that technology sufficiently exotic enough to compel to the conclusion of its "ET" origins. Indeed, as I have tried to show in my books Reich of the Black Sun and SS Brotherhood of the Bell, the most extensive documented descriptions of allegedly ET devices are the dubious MAJIC-12 documents, which, when examined closely as to the nature of their internal evidence and descriptions of technology, fall far short of describing a physics sufficient to compel to the conclusion of their interstellar origins. Exotic they are, to be sure, but not exotic enough to be self-evidently "extra-terrestrial." As to the second implied postulate that "ET is peaceful and benign", it should be plainly obvious to anyone familiar with the UFOlogy field, that this is a conclusion hotly debated within those circles, and thus once again not self-evident nor compulsive to one or another conclusion.
No, with this most recent missive, I had more the impression of reading a sermon preached to the faithful ET believer, one lacking in argumentation, and even lacking in Dr. Greer's customary sharing of anecdotes from anonymous sources or highly placed individuals.
As such, it isn't even a good sermon.
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Stephen Greer has done a fantastic job of proving the existence of UFO’s beyond reasonable doubt and giving the subject some much-needed respectability. But what about human body parts found in crashed UFO’s, abductions, implants, hybrid breeding programs as per Dulce New Mexico and so on? He must be aware of the testimony which suggests there is a very dark side and that the intentions of the ET’s towards our species are not especially benign. Isn’t it fear of the public freaking out and of our civilisation losing its sense of purpose which keeps those in power so set against revealing the truth? After coming ‘through the looking glass’ and accepting that the nutters were right all along, one’s first instinct is to stamp around and be angry about the way we have all been manipulated and kept in the dark. But am I alone in thinking that if this were the 1950’s all over again and I were in Truman’s or Eisenhower’s shoes I too would have decided to keep it secret? The question now – after 60 years – is whether we are ready to hear the truth without losing our sense of purpose and our collective marbles. Personally I think ‘yes’. But what Stephen Greer maybe needs to accept (and comment on a bit more) is that ET appears to regard us humans in much the same way a dairy farmer sees a herd of prize cattle – he’s fond of them in a fatherly sort of way but there’s no big moral dilemma about herding them into the abbatoir truck when their time comes to be useful. If that’s how it is we may have more to be worried about than a dislocation to our economic system whilst we assimilate all this great new technology they’re handing out. Jem Keen, London
If youre willing to accept that they are communicating with us on a daily and weekly basis on the progress of change, then go here
http://paoweb.com/messages
and here
http://treeofthegoldenlight.com
/First_Contact
/Channeled_Messages_by_Mike_Quinsey.htm
I’m inclined to think that popular science fiction of the last forty or so years has done a lot to acclimate the general populace towards the whole notion of ET and the tech that goes with it. I think there would not be that much culture shock at the existence of ET or their tech but plenty of rage that we humans have been sitting on technology that could eradicate hunger and poverty and disease. That would be the form the social upheaval would take. When it comes to command and control of the power structure on this planet, I can’t believe that those who would feel they had everything to lose financially etc, by the release of this technology would ever permit it.
What I want to know is what is keeping the ET’s from a full blown disclosure of their own that would make the whole planet sit up and take notice? I can see why humans would be secretive about it, but what stops ET from revealing all? What do they get from our secrecy?
I caught your interview on Coast to Coast am last night and enjoyed it quite a bit. I think some of the same ground is covered here in this blog.
In any case I saw a huge ufo over the Santa Monica mountains when I was about ten years old. This was about 1967. I saw it with a bunch of other kids. We all yelled, we just saw a UFO! Now how do I know it was a UFO? Well, it was a black triangle, huge, circular multi colored light rimmed the outer under belly, in made almost no sound except for a WOOOSsszzee, kind of like the air parting, and it was only about 200 feet above the tree line.
It had appeared as a speck of light in the distance. Someone mentioned it was moving. We thought they were nuts. We started to look at it more closely, and in a 5-10 second period it had went from a speck of light, like a star, to this giant, maybe football field size craft speeding by over head. We tracked it as it disappeared into a speck of light in the distance, in another 5 seconds or so. And that was the experience.
Now, could this have been something that we had that we just don’t know about? I guess. But from what we know as far as I can tell, considering the time frame, it seems a bit unlikely.
So how does this relate to the crumbling soceity? Well as far as I can tell, it hasn’t affected me adversely at all! That there may be ALIENS out there, well it just may be. Does this mean there is no GOD? Does this mean everybody is just going to go woe is me, what do I believe in now? It just doesn’t seem like that would be the case to me.
Why do I conclude this? Well I only have my experience to go from, but that sure hasn’t been my take. I also think that this thought that if we all suddenly had the power to nuke our next door neighbor, that we would is just silly.
If we all didn’t have to struggle for things that could sustain day to day life, I think it would calm thing down considerably.
It makes much more sense that we’d head in the STAR TREK mentality, then in some ” oh now that I can kill you, boy you’re really in for it now” kind of thought process.
I do think there are those out there that are afraid of the idea that they will not be special any more if things are not base on how much money they have, but I think they’ll get over it. They very well may be the people who are holding things back now, but I think the world as a whole, all they want to do is live. That means, eat, sleep, raise a family and have a reasonably good time. The moment that can be achieved without having to struggle for resorces, all the fighting goes out the window.
If I can eat sleep and I’ve got a girl, why would I want to be fighting with anyone? It’s a silly notion really to think otherwise.
I caught your interview on Coast to Coast am last night and enjoyed it quite a bit. I think some of the same ground is covered here in this blog.
In any case I saw a huge ufo over the Santa Monica mountains when I was about ten years old. This was about 1967. I saw it with a bunch of other kids. We all yelled, we just saw a UFO! Now how do I know it was a UFO? Well, it was a black triangle, huge, circular multi colored light rimmed the outer under belly, in made almost no sound except for a WOOOSsszzee, kind of like the air parting, and it was only about 200 feet above the tree line.
It had appeared as a speck of light in the distance. Someone mentioned it was moving. We thought they were nuts. We started to look at it more closely, and in a 5-10 second period it had went from a speck of light, like a star, to this giant, maybe football field size craft speeding by over head. We tracked it as it disappeared into a speck of light in the distance, in another 5 seconds or so. And that was the experience.
Now, could this have been something that we had that we just don’t know about? I guess. But from what we know as far as I can tell, considering the time frame, it seems a bit unlikely.
So how does this relate to the crumbling soceity? Well as far as I can tell, it hasn’t affected me adversely at all! That there may be ALIENS out there, well it just may be. Does this mean there is no GOD? Does this mean everybody is just going to go woe is me, what do I believe in now? It just doesn’t seem like that would be the case to me.
Why do I conclude this? Well I only have my experience to go from, but that sure hasn’t been my take. I also think that this thought that if we all suddenly had the power to nuke our next door neighbor, that we would is just silly.
If we all didn’t have to struggle for things that could sustain day to day life, I think it would calm thing down considerably.
It makes much more sense that we’d head in the STAR TREK mentality, then in some ” oh now that I can kill you, boy you’re really in for it now” kind of thought process.
I do think there are those out there that are afraid of the idea that they will not be special any more if things are not base on how much money they have, but I think they’ll get over it. They very well may be the people who are holding things back now, but I think the world as a whole, all they want to do is live. That means, eat, sleep, raise a family and have a reasonably good time. The moment that can be achieved without having to struggle for resorces, all the fighting goes out the window.
If I can eat sleep and I’ve got a girl, why would I want to be fighting with anyone? It’s a silly notion really to think otherwise.
Panamint Joe and Hikerdave:
Thanks for visiting my little blog site and for sharing your comments and counter-arguments. Well reasoned and well-considered. I am skeptical if ET has “near infinite knowledge” but the technological and cultural impacts your arguments suggest I think are very credible, though I take, of course, the opposite view.
Thanks again,
Joseph F.
If such extraterrestrial technology and physics exist, fully revealing them today would yield effects on human technology and society 10-20 years from now. Take a look at automobile design and manufacturing, for example. Technological innovations take about five to ten years to make it into new cars that you and I can purchase. Basic research takes ten years and more to make it from the laboratory into the mainstream. It might look like a sudden change on a geological time scale, but in human terms the changes would take a generation or two.
For anyone born before 1960, the things we have today seem to be marvels. For people born after 1980, they can’t conceive of a world without television, CDs, cell phones, spaceflight, and so on. So it would be with UFO technology. It might be disruptive to the current generation, but following generations would take it for granted.
We must use slow logical progression to understand why civilization as we know it will collapse. If even only in stages our economies will suffer greatly if ET technology is revealed. And of course it must sufficiently advanced, which I think it is. If released as a whole or near whole chunk and not piecemeal it would cause disaster.
The argument you posit using cars, telephones, etc is specious at best. First off maybe on a geological scale they were sudden advancements but the scale of human endeavor they came about only slightly faster than other technologies. And they were preceded by all the logical advancements needed to support and drive the innovations required to make them happen. No one was frightened by twentieth century technology because it happened at a pace that the human psyche was comfortable with. (South American jungle tribes are excused, but they are the exception that prove rule.)
Let’s take the car for example. It came about slowly and methodically and was a great boon to civilization. Manufacturing technology improved and supported the car’s birth. Refining of fuels was necessary for its advancement and so some symbiosis took place. But the automobile (and for that matter the phone, computer, airplane, etc.) created no upheaval in the local or global economies or psyches because as you said “it took some time before these technologies became available to a wide enough segment of the world’s population to impact its geopolitics, cultural habits, and economies.” And time is the key factor here. The only ones hurt were the often lamented buggy whip makers.
But let’s say that tomorrow it was revealed that a technology was available that could power, heat and cool you home for practically nothing. The device was the size of an air conditioner and needed recharging maybe every year or two. And a grapefruit sized version would run a car for peanuts also. Granted someone makes this claim every so often but what if it were really real? And what if someone blabbed that we got if from aliens and worse yet we had been sitting on it for decades? What do you think the reaction would be?
The first response would be “Gimme, Gimme, Gimme Right NOW!” People freeze to death, die of heat stroke, live in poverty for one reason or another and a technology that can relieve much of their burden has been hidden? We’ve been dying for black goo and pumping poisons into our air, water and ground when there was no reason for it? Not to mention how far ahead in all technologies we could be by now. There would be riots in the streets and I would be egging people on.
Our ENTIRE economies are based on oil. Look around and there is nothing you can see that is not derived from or came about in some fashion from oil. If this technology was revealed suddenly whole segments of our manufacturing world would quickly become buggy whip industries with millions out of work.
And the ET revelation would have a cascade effect: If they have this then they must have near infinite knowledge. All of the earth’s problems could be solved overnight.
Many would simply stop working and demand these changes. Partly due to the fact that our modern society has bred a populous that is lazy, greedy and demands instant gratification.
A late friend of mine was deeply involved while in the military. (From the very beginning.) Conversations with him and others were not for the faint hearted. (Good thing I don’t drink.) He had a Fox Muldar attitude, “Trust no one.” He always had deep suspicion of anyone in the UFO field. He could spot disinformation specialists easily and I learned a lot from him. But I’m still not sure about Dr. Greer. I lean toward him being straight though he may speculate too deep and be influenced/deceived by his “contacts”.
Bottom line, it would not be good to reveal anything. Release it slowly, very slowly. Like frogs in the pan we might jump out of the water and into the fire of our own panic.
Last year at the UFO conference in Laughlin, Nevada Dr Greer stated that he had no clue of Phil Schneider and the underground bases that are linked to the Giza Pyramid and the world. How is it that a man who workes for the United States Government in the intelligence field (claims he used to) not know about this subject. I wasn’t born yesterday! We have to wake up soon! or else we will be in deep trouble! That’s the bottom line!
Mr. Farrell.. As I have posted before, I saw the Kecksburg fireball as a teenager. I’ve looked at your map of the path the fireball took and my location of Elliot Lake, Ontario is nowhere near the line that was indicated in your research. I know that the object proceeded very close overhead so there was no way that it could have been out toward Lake Superior for me to have seen it.
On March 3, 1976, a very interesting ice storm occured in the city of London, Ontario where I was attending my fourth year of university. I was running for president of the UWO student council at the time. Several weeks previous, I predicted a “devastation” that would visit London at the end of February. I made this prediction to many many people. In an oral examination in the second week of February, Professor C. Jane Gregory asked me as a final question in an oral exam in her honours socialogy course on Leisure: “What do you think will be the leisure of the future”. Without thinking and without having thought about it before, I answered that we would be able to make images with our minds in the sky.
Two weeks later, London experienced a temperature inversion. The power grid was knocked out throughout the city. I began to feel that this was my premonition. At 3 or 4 in the morning and in a much agitated state, I went outside. I could see a reddish glow in the sky and decided to investigate. One block down the street toward the river park, power lines were down and across the street. All of the trees were covered in a heavy jacket of ice and the street was crackling with breaking branches. I crossed Blackfriars bridge to access the path that ran along the Thames. The path is very closely lined with mature trees. The sky was still very intriguing as it had a reddish hue so I ventured on. One particular grove was crashing heavy branches ahead of me but I continued on. Many more branches crashed behind me seconds after I had passed. At the other end of the path was another more modern bridge which I crossed and joined the trail back to a wide open space on the other side of the river and back toward my home. I headed for the oldest and largest tree that I have ever seen in my life which is directly behind the LaBatt’s head office and 100 feet or more from the river. The snow had turned to marble. It was hard enough to skate on. When I arrived at the tree, the sky was a throbbing pulsing blood red with lime green lightning all along the horizon. As I said, I was already in an agitated state. This event knocked me to the ground. I remember thinking that I never wanted another sign from God as I didn’t think I could take it. This red pulsing mass of brilliant red and lime green ebbed and flowed for 15 minutes before I decided that I had seen enough and headed home. By the time I got back to the downed powerlines across the road and close to my home, much of the event had subsided. Trees were still dropping branches and crashes could be heard in the distance.
As I mentioned earlier, I was in a political campaign. On the Friday following this event, I went to the university pub called “Spoke and Rim”. Without having a drink, I managed to provoke the “doorman” who ejected me from the bar. In fact, I was beaten up and had to walk to St. Joseph’s Hospital to get stitches. The bar is one of the main assets of the student council which incidentally has a budget of over $1 million.
I felt totally humiliated by the treatment that I received and the stitches under my eye. Within a couple of weeks, I had lost the election and quit school. This had been a lifechanging event in my life and I abruptly changed the course of my life.
I went back to my job as a park ranger for the summer of 1976 then moved to a cabin close to the park where I planned to read and meditate and pull myself together. In January 1977 I was reading Nostradamus and was about halfway through when I got an eerie feeling that made my hair stand on end. I flipped the page and began to read Century v, verse 81.
Even though I didn’t have all the facts at the time, this quatrain resonated in me and I did some research.
81
The royal bird over the city of the Sun,
Seven months in advance it will deliver a nocturnal omen:
The Eastern wall will fall lightning thunder,
Seven days the enemies directly to the gates.
the royal bird..swan of Great Britain
city of the sun…(GMT)…London
7 months..Tangshan earthquake or death of Mao
7 days enemies at the gate…beaten up by the doorman..
To address your question as to why I think this event is related to scalar weapons, it’s more to the fact that Tangshan earthquake may have killed 600,000 people and “may” have damaged the great wall of China. It may also mean that the death of Mao signals the end of China’s independent self sufficiency. I don’t know.
Nostradamus may have considered Grenwich at long. 0 to be the city of the sun.
I think scalar weapons enabled me to see into the immediate future and Nostradamus to see into the distant future. I think their is a relationship to my prediction being 2 weeks ahead of the event followed by “enemies at the gate” in 7 days to be somewhat reciprical to Nostradamus’ prediction in 1555 and the Tangshan earthquake. Something to do with James Joyce’s “rim a rim” on the gyre of time.
Eric, what sort of technology have you seen at work?
Meangreen, yes I tend to agree with you. As for public library, I suppose that all depends on the local librarian and the sort of local demand they have
Joseph – Good points about Dr. Greer and his take on why we have a cover up/Disclosure Project.
Let’s take it another step back, Tesla had proven a lot of what we use today by the “Turn of the Century”(Wireless technology among many, but what info do we the public not have access too?). I think the power elite(they go by many names) took advantage of this technology/data(then and before Tesla) and later used the UFO scene to/for there advantage.
Your books seem interesting, does the Public Library carry any?
The destructive tech exists. I have it seen it at work as early as March 1976. I’m still waiting for the aliens.