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INFORMATION ERASURE WITHOUT LOSS OF ENERGY?

Scientists are now claiming that it is possible to erase information without the loss of energy:

  Information Erasure POssible without Loss of Energy?

What intrigued me here are the obvious implications of these assertions - made by reputable scientists in a paper published for the Royal Society - for the second law of thermodynamics. What emerges from the article is that the scientists in question appear to be thinking in terms of open systems, i.e., of systems that, while closed in the 3-space of current reality, might in fact be open systems to hyper-dimensional realities and systems, enabling energy transfers between the two in apparent violation of the second law.

The whole approach is reminiscent, again, of some of the statements of Russian astrophycist Nikolai Kozyrev specifically with regard to the second law. In effect, some of these statements said if entropy is true, where is it? The fact that there are observers at all is an argument of a certain kind of an-entropic process (see my The Philosophers' Stone, pp. 151-192). While neither Kozyrev nor the scientists responsible for this article were arguing against the second law as such, he was questioning its utility to explain such coupling between systems in two different space-time configurations. If such soupling occurred or were possible, anomalous energy might be recorded or observed at rate greater than unity in theif coefficient of performance.

The article thus raises an even more interesting though purely philosophical possibility, and that is the creation of information without energy might be possible, a view that would accord somewhat well with very ancient views of the physical medium, while certainlyconflicting - mightily so! - with those of conemporary physics. If these scientists are correct, then the implications of their paper - and any experiments they might successfully confect - will be rather profound. It is a story worth watching!

8 thoughts on “INFORMATION ERASURE WITHOUT LOSS OF ENERGY?”

  1. What I am saying is not that we are the same in the physical domain, only the primal consciousness. Yes, we are VERY different in the 3D physical domain. Consciousness itself is neither good nor bad, only awareness, which can allow a physical brain or biological cell, at any level of life, to transcend the limits of its physical senses. I suspect there is not a “designer” as much as an infinite background (infrared photons) blueprint that causes conscious life to manifest any way possible. As I suggested, until we understand time better, any theophilosophy is probably misplaced.

  2. We cannot be one and the same person, because although the
    human for example, is one nature, or species, the individual
    is one person, and not another.

    Further, by the assessment you make, all creatures sentient
    and non sentient are one person. We do share the same
    background nature so to speak, of being creatures.

    But while there might be some subtle consciousness of a
    tiny sort in nonsentient things, since Our Lord Jesus Christ
    said that if the people crying Hosanna did not do so, the
    rocks would cry out, and John the Baptist said that God
    was able if He chose to do so, to raise children of Abraham
    out of the rocks, that is not the same thing as the universe
    or the ether matrix underlying it being God.

    That is the pantheistic error of the hermeticists, who
    seem to ascribe sometimes some kind of divine status
    to the soul of the world or prima materia or whatever.

    Laya yoga is a labor intensive kind of suicide, reversing the
    life process of the energy flow of the body. Aim is to get
    into a parasamadhi you never get out of. But creation out
    of nothing, and distinct from the Creator, makes a lot more
    sense, and is the teaching at the core of all three Abrahamic
    religions, and I think was an idea played with by some
    pagan philosophers incl. in India.

    It makes more sense, because for there to be Intelligent
    Design, the Designer has to be more intelligent than the
    designed, and the primordial whatnot things seem to be
    designed out of, isn’t all that conscious or intelligent,
    it is manipulable like any other creature. It is not all that,
    shall we say, sovereign.

  3. If you subscibe to the idea that there is only one wellspring of consciousness, then the truth is that deep at our inner core, we are all one and the same (person). If you call this “God”, and were aware that you were the only “being”, and knew all past, present and future events, and the timeline variants, you would be bored and lonely for all eternity; something from which you might want to escape by scattering yourself in a physical medium and playing the dichotomous “black and white” game as a distraction from that plight.

  4. Some man met Jesus, and asked Him to show him what
    infinity is like, so He did. And the man, I don’t remember
    his name, couldn’t take this for more than a few seconds
    if that, it hurt his brain.

  5. My personal hunch is that there is a hyperdimensional state where all time is “now” and all space is “local”. Call it the God state if you will, but it seems to conform to the Biblical notions of an all-seeing being (force/statespace) that is the sum of all knowledge past/present/future. And just to make it a little more crazy, I believe time has a geometric structure, similar to a crystal lattice. Imagine a hexagon. In the 3D physical realm, we are stuck on the straight line or path if you will, and even though the line is flexible, you must always pass a node to change paths. Left or right. I think this structure exists down to the atomic level all the way to the universe. The other “lines” are potential futures, alternate realities. etc. Until we understand the true nature of time, we are peein’ in the wind to try to understand creation, and the grand scheme of things. Human physical consciousness can only see time as a tightrope seen from an orthogonal perspective. When we attain higher consciousness, (choose your poison) we see it more like looking into the end of the rope.

  6. One of the interesting facets of contemplating the corollaries of entropy is that if heat and organizational energy is subtracted from everything in the universe, where did the original organization (negative entropy) come from in the first place? To de-organize something, you have have organization (order)to start with . Not necessarily an argument for “God”, but some force of intelligent design.

    1. indeed. But if we argue that some super civilization or something
      like angels did it, then it merely knocks the question back in
      time further, Who created them?

  7. Something like this may happen in a banishment or a blessing
    that removes evil (the kind of “information” incl. entities) without
    damaging the object or place or person blessed or exorcized.

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