NEWS AND VIEWS FROM THE NEFARIUM NOV 25 2015
November 25, 2015 / /
The Russian fighter downing is in the News, and it's causing some analysis across the internet:
17 Seconds That Changed The World - Leaked Letter Exposes Turkey's Hair-Trigger Reality
Downing of Russian Su-24 looks like a planned provocation - Lavrov
Ankara's oil business with ISIS
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Despite China’s recent apparent foray into the GMO realm, it looks like Russia is following the path predicted by JPF:
https://www.rt.com/business/324605-russia-putin-healthy-food/
From my point of view, seemed to be pre-planed from russian/german side. They could use the bad relationship between turkish army and turkish goverment. Erdogan would be really stupid to damage his interests like that.
Both russians and germans had good motivation. Turkey’s support of terorists and illegal migrants heading to germany. Merkel was begging to Turkey and She was sitting between two Turkey’s flags, remember ?
http://freedomeurope.eu/angela-merkelova-jako-prosebnik-u-tureckeho-prezidenta-erdogana/
The shutdown made a good position on g20 summit for her, to force Erdogan to make some concessions.
Keep in mind also the strange story with german patriot rockets in Turkey…
GW, while motivations alone prove nothing, I find your analysis interesting.
The one problem I see with your view is, if it were true, why would Turkey have lied about the event (the “17 second” letter, whose numbers calculated the Russian plane’s speed at (or even less than?) stall speed)? Wouldn’t raw data (with no fudging) have supported Turkey? I have to assume (no knowledge here) Turkey fudged the data somehow, and with limited time, forgot to check the numbers.
Hi Dr Farrell,
I’d like to glom on to one of your posts regarding the Tianjin explosion and the larger context of a possible covert war going on between the US and China or whomever and China. At the end of the article you stated that you didn’t think they would drop bombs on each other for the financial events detailed in the timeline and that time & more information would tell. There was also a tidbit about the Chinese supercomputer being taken offline for security concerns.
Could this be a piece of this puzzle?
http://news.xinhuanet.com/english/2015-11/23/c_134846077.htm
When I saw the headline I was interested, when I saw the city name I was intrigued and when I plotted the geographic location of the new $21B cloning facility and realized it was less than a mile from the national super-computing center and less than 2 miles from the giant explosion crater at the port… Well let’s just say that my ABS-fatigued mental brakes came on hard. ABS being aluminum barium strontium that is.
– 15 days after the Tianjin explosion the most successful cattle cloning experiment in China’s history takes place with the birth of a healthy calf. This calf is not only cloned http://news.xinhuanet.com/english/2015-09/14/c_134622609.htm but has also successfully inherited GM genes from it’s mother that were artificially inserted by scientists. By all accounts it is heralding the emergence of a possible new food source for farmers at home trying to meet the rising demands of the middle class dinner table .
– China shuts down its national supercomputer center as you pointed out previously with security concerns in mind.
– Tianjin experiences toxic rain and a peculiar foam in the aftermath of the explosion. The locations closest to the blast site are the most affected and the ground of the as-yet-unnannounced $21B facility has now been contaminated.
– Can safely assume that the cloning facility was being planned years in advance. Which tells me two things; one, they intended to build it proximally close to the national supercomputing center all along and that the authorities have been waiting for the right moment to announce it. For my money, the ‘golden’ calf birthing event and confirmation of it’s intended outcomes would have been IT (golden being my dramatic term, the calf is not actually gold colored in any way).
– Is it possible that at least part of the Tianjin explosion event was to delay or permanently derail the construction of the new cloning facility?
– Could it have been a veiled warning from those who knew the announcement was coming in the near future to those who were planning to do the unveiling?
Did China shut down the supercomputer center in part to prevent hackers from obtaining cloning research data being done there and/or was the attackers intention to cause China to shut it down and therefore further delay the commercialization of one of the most advanced cloning research efforts in history?
Could also entertain the possibility that the Tianjin explosion was intended exclusively to cause the shut down of the national super computer in the immediate run-up to the Aug 24th Chinese stock market crash. Which I believe was a covert attack and possibly the Chinese stock market e-defense strategy was stored there?
Also compiled this randowm timeline while I was researching my ideas; not saying it means anything, just interesting
2015
Jun 16 – EU Parliament presents draft legislation to ban cloning of all farm animals with overwhelming vote support reported
July 27 – USA presidential actor announces executive order to create a supercomputer 30x faster than the fastest at the time.
Aug 13 – Tianjin explosion kills 173, closes down the Chinese national supercomputing center (fastest computer in the world) and ostensibly contaminates the ground of the as yet unnannounced cloning facility
Aug 24 – Chinese stock market suffers “Black Monday” event that wipes out hundreds of billions of dollars in market capitalization
Aug 28 – Healthy cloned calf born to mother with genetically modified genes and has successfully inherited the GM genes from her
Sept 9 – EU Parliament votes to extend controls on all animal cloning
Sept 14 – Xinhua publicly reports for the first time the news of the calf’s birth and celebrated success
Oct 29 – EU Parliament pulls a complete 180 degree turn and votes in favor of “food innovation” aka “eating cloned animals” with a particular focus on new definitions for ‘nanomaterials’
Nov 9 – Russian national supercomputer facility explosion
Nov 23 – China announces plans to build a state of the art $21B cloning facility in Tianjin, less than 2 miles away from the explosion site.
Your scenario seems most likely and probably to be preferred Basta. At least from the relative safety of the USSA. What the point is of messing with Putin’s oligarchs is not so sensible. Does he really seem dumb enough to let them or weak enough to have to let western oligarchs shake him loose from his own necessities? Ukraine? Syria? Turkey?
Many more salient points will come out and have come out of Sibel Edmonds, James Corbett and a few others who’ve had eyes closer on Turkey for decades. Dennis Hastert has some direct treasonous criminal ties with Turkey from decades back. So do many former and current USSA congress critters. It’s a worse nexus for criminal pedophile black ops meet ups than New Orleans, Miami and Mexico City.
Kinda funny to watch Ergodan complain about mentioned Russian sanctions against Turkey in response to the death of their pilot. He called the response “emotional…and unecessary.” He actually looked a little frieghtened. That leads me to my own speculation: what if Ergodan himself was out of the loop. He can’t say that without showing that he is not in charge. What if his trip to Nazis Are Taking Over was to complain about *their* hypothetical provocation?
If you read any of Sybel Edmund’s works, you’ll see Turkey figures prominately in the drug/terror/oil/arms trade. ISIS is IMHO, SPECTRE’s proxy army. Which has roots way back in the BCCI(Pakistani ISSI)scandal during Emperor Bush I. Unfortunately, SPECTRE has it’s tentacles just about everywhere. It is intertwined with our beloved Alphabet Agencies,etc. So, the threat is global and local to all. The consolidation of drug, arms and immigrant / slave smuggling has made SPECTRE.Inc very wealthy and is operating at a feverish pace. IF Russia is able to stomp them out in their immidiate sphere of influence, THEN it will just surface some other place. First Europe and my S.W.A.G. is the US is next.
I see two possible explanations for this premeditated shootdown (and Turkey is clearly lying through its teeth as even that gold standard of truthiness, “an anonymous Pentagon official” told Reuters that the jet was shot down in Syrian airspace). I also think Erdogan’s sneering response today makes this clear.
So, either the US put the Turks up for this as a way to block Russia’s Turkish Stream gas pipeline and that psychopathic hothead Erdogan was dumb enough to fall for the bait just after the Russians bombed his son’s extremely lucrative ISIS-oil convoys and the Turkmen on their borders…
Or, the Turkish military convinced Erdogan to give the shootdown order so as to paint a target on his back and set him up for a coup, as clearly they must see he is a dangerous little mafioso and needed an excuse to toss him out.
The former scenario does not preclude the latter, and it may have been a confluence of interests at play. In any event, Erdogan was fool enough to take the bait and has severely weakened his position, regardless of the Russian response, and I think the long-term response will be to work with their assets inside Turkey to see him deposed. It’s clear they cannot deal with him and he is now a marked man. The Bosphorus straits and the pipeline project are too important for Russia to simply break with Turkey and so an accomodation must be found, and the simplest one is to get rid of Erdogan.
Russia will also doubtless close the Turkish-Syrian border and ramp up efforts to cut off and publicly expose the other “Turkish Stream” of smuggled ISIS oil which profits the Erdogan clan directly. And Erdogan deserves all that is doubtless coming to him.
When have the Turkish Elites ever thought that why the European Elites keeping them around. Along with the Western Running Dogs in America, Australia, New Zealand maybe the Turks should be force to apologize in their version of seppuku. That the least they can do for creating or participating in this mess.
17 seconds, 17 s-e-c-o-n-d-s, my my my, and by the way, what threat did one, repeat, ONE F-16 pose to Turkey, answer, zip. So what do we have here, the lap dog obeying it’s master (NATO). Russia is already cancelling tourist trips to Turkey and cancelling food imports from Turkey, and don’t forget about the oil and gas Turkey gets from Russia, in essence WHAT IN THE WORLD WERE THEY THINKING?????
Oops, I meant what could one SU-24 do to Turkey, well I guess everyone knew what I meant.