THE TRANSHUMANISM SCRAPBOOK: RESEARCHERS WORKING ON UPLOADING PERSONAL ...
When my co-author Scott D deHart and I wrote Transhumanism: A Grimoire of Alchemical Agendas, one of the things we focused on was Percy Shelley's Frankenstein, and yes, I said Percy Shelley's, not Mary Shelley's, Frankenstein, for its our thesis (which Dr. deHart ably argued in his book on the authorship of the celebrated novel, Shelley Unbound) that Percy was indeed the secret author of the work. The work was as most know a novel of science run amok, promising great things, and creating more problems than it pretended to solve. We also argued in our book that the transhumanists were seeking the technologies that would allow humanity to "outflank mortality" as it were, one of them being the idea of storing all of a person's memories into a databse, to be uploaded elsewhere.
The dream - or nightmare - is fast becoming a reality as this article shared by Ms. S.H. indicates:
Researchers Working on Technology to Bring Dead Back to Life
As we also pointed out in our book, the transhumanist agenda relies upon four basic technologies called the GRIN technologies - genetics, robotics, information technology, and nanotechnology - in various combinations, and that indeed is what is being done here:
Humai, a technology company based in Los Angeles, says that it is working on a project known as “Atom & Eve” that would let human consciousness be transferred to an artificial body after their death.
Artificial intelligence, the most important and major discovery of science will be one of the most helpful things in the whole project. The Humai have already started working on human rebirth using artificial intelligence.
The three technologies collectively used by the tech giant company are “Nanotechnology, bionics & artificial intelligence”. The company is expecting the whole system to be ready in 3 decades and, of course, this type of work requires this much time.
And all this in turn to be accomplished by the cryogenic freezing of an individual's brain, for transplant into a new robotic body and "reactivation" when the time is right:
The tech company further says that the cloning technology of science will be able to restore the brain as it matures. Their vision on their website is “Humai is an AI company with a mission to reinvent the afterlife. We want to bring you back to life after you die.”
While talking to Australian Popular Science Bocanegra said that the brain of the dead will be frozen using cryonics technology and when their technology is fully developed and ready, they will embed the frozen bone back but into an artificial body which would be fully capable of living as the deceased used to.
As we pointed out in our book however, all this is based on the implicit assumption that the brain is the locus of the mind and personality, and that, indeed, the sum total of one's memories sums up to the person itself, a proposition which I personally find dubious, for built into this proposition is that when the body-brain dies, personhood itself dies with it. The notion is common to much science, but is somewhat of a novelty, and a very recent on at that, in the history of human thought, philosophy and religion. I suspect that eventually even if such technologies come online and prove superficially "successful," that soon people will discover that these "artifically-extended" personalities will lack something - perhaps inchoate and unformulable - and that this lack will indicate that not all of such an individual has been captured and extended. If that happens, the problems inherent with a purely materialistic basis for the understanding of mind, consciousness, or personhood will be exposed. What might be preserved by such means, in other words, is a similacrum of the person, a persona, not a person.
There's something else I've pointed out before, and that is the opposite danger: that such techniques might work in toto, causing the "virtually immortal" individual to grow tired and weary of life, a weariness that might manifest itself in increasingly sociopathic behaviors: what value has life if everyone is immortal, and can "cheat" death technologically? With such "virtual immortality" also comes the possibility of a vast expansion of human knowledge, an expansion that, coupled with possibly increasingly psychotic behaviors, could rip society apart in apocalyptic paroxysms. And should such a technology be open to all? The rich and powerful will surely be the first with access to it, and indeed I've raised the high octane speculative possibility that some aspects of it may already be in their grasp, given the longevity of some of them. The rich and powerful have a kind of unique class disregard for humanity which they hide behind pseudo-philanthropic trusts and foundations. How does one prevent the technology from proliferating and falling into the wrong hands: do we want to see ISIS with it? Hitler? Stalin? Mao? Notably, when one looks at such transhumanist companies and their goals, one never finds any deep consideration - or any consideration, deep, shallow, or otherwise - of such moral and social issues. And the necessity of debate and discussion is every bit as necessary and important here as it is with other issues - cloning, genetic modifications, and so on - if not much more so.
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Given analogical science and celestial geometry vivifying DNA one would wonder whether there would be a need for an artificial sources to inculcate artificial life? CERN, cell towers, satellites, power grids….?
anyone seen martine rohtblatt yet?
seems the first step in conning wealthy a wealthy mark is to convince them they are submissives in a dominant submissive relationship with their predator. transgender is a great first step in that process. interesting that body language authors view cosmetics and plastic surgery view beauty standards that make for a more submissive body language. fatter lips. highlighted shaded eyes,….
so does martine look more submissive than he used to?
now the question comes, what happens when so many of the wealthiest on the planet get conned into giving up their gender and then eventually giving up what they think is their minds? or souls? what does that do to and for the rest of us? afterall, wealth does compel some leadership responsibility on the rest of the less wealthy society.
so where does that leave us?
One is resurrected by “chiming” the DNA which is why graveyards are haunted by spirits in various states of glory, disrepair, confusion, irritability and all the other personality types. If the DNA can be resonated then some form of reconstruction or facsimile can take place, but as we see with ghostly spirits the results are not necessarily good or predictable.
Resonating DNA… a good vidchat topic Emlong! This may be connected to the custom, especially strong in the Chinese and Japanese cultures, of honouring the ancestors, ritually and with grave positioning in tune with the earth energies. And, conversely, revolutions are often accompanied by the descration of graves. Is this “merely” symbolic or political, or is their a deeper level? And does the same apply to “reconsecration” as in the case of the Romanov tombs in Russia, or Egypt treating pharaonic mummies to military honours?
Emlong and Dana your analogies give an added “ab ovo usque ad mala” approach – a shadow casting resurrection from possibility to actuality.
And Robert this also brings us back to the topic, raised a number of times on these pages, of those DNA analysis services currently being launched with the enticing promise of “tracing your ancestors”…
Intriguing to say the least Dana.
What do they know;
or believe they know?
Will this upload of our Consciousness include our unexamined fixed ideas? If so, humanity will be back to square one. I supsect Humai leaked this information because its planning to go public…
Possibly. More likely they are planning to strike it rich off desperate elites who will try anything to cheat death or something of that ilk.
This is sheer insanity, for sure. Joseph is correct on all this and I agree with most of the comments. To reiterate, there is no scientific, experimental evidence that the brain produces consciousness. Period. Lots of theories by the materialists, though. But, it’s an unproven assumption that the majority of scientists keep presenting as a fact to the general public.
I regards to the uploading of memories into AI machines and the transplanting of brains, Joseph is right again, there is no questioning of even the viability of this, let alone the moral and social issues involved. Frankly, I see, along with some other comments here, this all leading to soulless zombies of some sort ending in disastrous results ala Shelly’s Frankenstein.
Another question is: will these Mad Hatter transhumanists and neuro-scientists engaged in this ever realize they’ve traveled up a blind alley ending in a cul-de-sac?
That was funny: I had to read “…that would allow humanity to ‘outflank mortality'” three times before it would read that way. Prior to that, I always saw, “…that would allow humanity to ‘outflank morality’.” 1%er humanity.
Joseph: “…what value has life if everyone is immortal, and can ‘cheat’ death technologically? With such ‘virtual immortality’ also comes the possibility of a vast expansion of human knowledge, an expansion that, coupled with possibly increasingly psychotic behaviors, could rip society apart in apocalyptic paroxysms.”
You know, this sounds familiar. If we go back to the Sumerian ‘Kings List’, their beginning-royalty (the Anunnaki and some early half-bloods) had recorded lifetimes of thousands if not tens of thousands of years. What would this do to their ‘personality’?
In his book, “God Games: What Do You Do Forever?”, Neil Freer addresses this point. It tracks Joseph’s quote very well. ‘God Games’, indeed, with ordinary humanity as playthings. The book is both chilling and seems to correspond-well with Sumerian documented-history. Take it further into Zecharia Sitchin ‘territory’ as much as you want…
(Remember that the Anunnaki refused to give humans semi-immortality. That means that they had the technological means to accomplish it. Hmmm.)
Reference Steve Quayle’s site for who those first Sumerian Kings might have been and why they had such long lifespans. The book of Genesis chapter 6 speaks of 200 Angels descending from Heaven and interbreeding with human women which resulted in offspring of gigantic proportions. Maybe they were fallen Angels, maybe they weren’t. The resulting genetic pollution supposedly lead to the flood. Their return has been foretold in the Sumerian writings and in other ancient texts; indeed, they may have always been here in the shadows.
The antediluvian world was not what we are lead to believe by mainstream history books, archeology, or science itself. The evidence has always been suppressed and destroyed. These beings had knowledge beyond what we possess today and taught some of that knowledge to their offspring. I doubt their technology was anything like ours. Assuming a similar increase in knowledge to ours over the last 200 years, beginning from a more advanced state, they would have been far ahead of where we are today. No doubt this knowledge was reserved for the elite of the day as it is today.
Most of humanity throughout history have always been on the short end of the stick and treated as serfs. Immortality is already ours, we just need to decide where to spend it.
Thanks, WD. This topic has been of interest to me ever since I stumbled upon it. I am an old SF nut, who grew up reading E.E. “Doc” Smith’s Skylark & Lensman series. It never made sense to me that other races/species/civilizations did not exist. Quite the contrary. Plus the massive extent of Time itself…
Earth itself may have been fought-over many times, like the island-hopping campaigns in the Pacific in WWII. Look at Guadalcanal today. A few more generations, and the jungle will have erased the ‘evidence’. The deadly fighting there might not ever have existed…
Same thing goes for colonization-attempts. When the other side shows up, you get city-sized vimanas fighting overhead, nuked bases (Mohenjo Daro), desert glass…
I’ve been thinking of re-reading the Skylark series of late … mostly because of that bit in “Skylark of Valeron” with the “witches.”
In light of Art Bell’s “mass consciousness experiments” and all this talk on “intention,” it’s *DEFINITELY* worth a look … especially since I read them when I was 14 (coming up on 56 now) …..
Lovecraft had this sussed, see or read “Herbert West – Reanimator”.
When people say that the brain is the seat of “who we are,” it reminds me of how Robert Anton Wilson refers to the “philosophy of Fundamentalist Materialism.” I think he should have called it the RELIGION of Fundamentalist Materialism. Those people are as “fundamentalist” as Jerry Falwell imho. See Wilson’s book THE NEW INQUISITION for similar views (a very good book discussing the tyranny of the modern scientific establishment).
Some of the “elite” may not need science for immortality. I cannot speak from experience, but there are writings that talk about how certain individuals have the (psychic?) ability to simply take over someone else’s body when their body gets too old. I consider it a possibility because it makes (psychic) technical sense to me. For a good portrayal of this see the novel The Anubis Gates by Tim Powers. Its buried in there somewhere. I have seen technical writing on this subject and it seems to me that there could very well be something to it. That is all opinion of course.
By the way JPF: have you read Robert Anton Wilson? I would guess that you have. If you haven’t, my guess is that you would find most of it entertaining, and a lot of it useful for your own research.
Once again, it’s the – quite frankly, pathetic – materialistic view that these kind of people/companies have. All for profit of course!
Our material bodies are but a low-end part of our whole being, our Self.
As others have already commented, our consciousness isn’t in our brain, so it can’t be “restored” to some other body, be it a biological vehicle or mechanical.
Never going to happen.
Once again, the aim here is to keep us away from our spiritual journey and keep us trapped in the materialistic realm. It’s a dead-end.
Materialists with big brains unfreezing dead ones tomorrow might fare a bit better should they put a little effort into unthawing their own Hearts today.
Good luck with that. Pie in the sky and fundamentelly misguided — to a level, I might add, that suggests fradulent intent.
First, your brain is not the seat of consciousness, but rather a sort of transducer.
You unthaw it after death and you’ve got a thawed brain, period. A mass of fatty grey tissue. This is on the level of cargo-cult/voodoo thinking, as if the cast of your TV show were actually little people living inside your TV.
And what of the soul (assuming the person who can afford these procedures actually has one)? Or doesn’t the soul exist in this consciousness-resides-in-the-brain paradigm?
So, more morons aping God. As I said, good luck with that.
Yes, the scientists have not taken into account, the now becoming evident fact that the mind is non-local. So they are going to try and do what mother nature (think Enki here) never intended to do. Immortality was never part of the Annunaki deal, we were made to do a specific task for a certain period of time, and all the scientific hooo har to me is just plain wind.
Thanks for the reminder that I make shure my whole body must be cremated after I die!!
The “virtual” is eating the “real” up…
in news, in science, in education, heath, the economy…
and now life itself…
where the unreal[not the undead] are the zombies…
just following the lead of the…
If the Elites know the “3 things” and this technology is still being pushed, then it’s really not for the best interest.. And regarding their inbreeding (or something to that effect), don’t they do the passing down through another means, since they might have a different “software” or “nanoware” than the rest of us?
Take your pick “Astro Boy” “The Ghost In The Shell” “Invasion Of The Body Snatchers”. This is just a short list where this subject been brought up two episodes of the original “Star Trek” also dealt with subject. Anyway wasn’t it the heart where Egyptians thought that conscience rested.
Interestingly, the folks at the Heart Institute (https://www.heartmath.org) say that the heart generates an energy field that extends roughly three feet around the body, while the brain’s field is way smaller ….
This hightlights their ignorance of karma. Once the Golden Cord has been broken and the body cast off, the Emotional and Mental bodies dissapate and only Soul / Atma is left. They have a much better chance at gene manipulation and other therapies that extend life than they do usurping someone’s “Final Promotion” and returning them to a lifeless corps or mechanized android vessel. I believe Star Trek TOS proved this to be folly.. But, some people gotta learn the hard way.
The elites will never be able to copy the soul, it is something we cannot and will not understand , no matter how hard we try, the soul is a gift from the great creator and it cannot be replicated by mankind
I do agree with you, Sir. Have you heard the legend that what happens with the Undead is YOU go to the afterlife while some demon takes over your body and commits the crimes you are then going to have to pay for? I understand the difference but that is still what this reminds me of.
The reasons for this must be born more from sheer greed and the need to cling onto their ill gotten gains. Would life not become tiresome once your close fiends and relatives continually leave this plane of existence or are they that cold that relationships simply do not matter.
Perhaps they have ‘proof’ of an existence beyond this realm and the idea of spending an eternity in hell petrifies the heebie jeebies out of them. That said, if this were the case, surely they would change their evil ways and do good with their limitless wealth – wishful thinking. Maybe it truly is as simple as selling your soul to the devil. After all, greed does strange things to people and the idea of having it all now and worrying about the consequences later is just to great for some. Sounds like modern day consumerism!
Alternatively, they are intending to use the tech (probably without consent) on various highly intelligent scientists to prevent knowledge loss at death in order to have borg like creatures that can infinitely continue in their specialised fields of research and development, accelerating scientific breakthroughs which feed into their dastardly objectives.
Perhaps more frighteningly though, it is the complete opposite of what most here have thought and the tech will be made readily available to the masses who will buy into their propaganda and offer themselves as guinea pigs for fear of the unknown (the elites appear to promote atheism). Once transitioned into emotionless slaves having not realised that they have inadvertently interfered with God’s natural processes, they unwittingly lose synchronisation with their souls and are doomed in a kind of purgatory here on Earth, slaves to the elites until the day they either leave this world or witness our sun swallow them up.
Their picture of human function is so utterly incomplete that should this bear fruit and I highly doubt it ever will, they will restore nothing but lumbering machina, devoid of any consciousness.
All this wanting to live forever….as a friend of mine said, most people thinking that way are arseholes and who wants eternal arseholes kicking around?
As Walking said, these people seem not to know – or, more likely, refrain in this case from mentioning – that consciousness is non-local. And that according to the wisdom of so many ancient traditions, there are different types or manifestations of mind/soul. So this new Frankenstein experiment looks like a sort of technologically-aided “black magic”, perhaps intended to convey some sort of human energy into a sort of cyborg construct, and maybe trapping a part of the victim’s “soul” there. Or on the other hand, it might just be another gimmick to bolster the shaky foundations of an outdated 19th century materialistic viewpoint that some would like to purvey as “science”.
I think we all know how this will go. Only the very rich will be able to afford it. Like many other technologies, hidden in the deepest black projects, it will never make it to the light of day for the benefit of mankind as a whole.
Personally, I don’t believe it will ever be accomplished; not in the manner intended. These people are so desperate to cling to every cent of their ill gotten gains, they will believe anything is possible. It’s a good way to make a buck off them, though. I wish them luck with their dreams and offer them ocean front property on Pluto on which to spend eternity, at a modest price, of course.
There is more to a human being than the sum of his material parts. Intelligent beings are unique within all of creation in that respect. They will never be able to capture and reintroduce the soul and will end up with an empty shell with a void inside to be filled with what. Maybe that’s the long term plan, but whose plan is it?