Every now and then, something so odd, so stunning, comes into my email inbox that I have to pass it along, even though it lacks that kind of direct corroboration that one wants when a stunning claim is made.  That's the case with this article, or rather, letter, that was spotted by Ms. D.W. and shared with me. It concerns rap music. Most regular readers here know that I'm not a fab. I find its unrelenting iambic pentameter, its oftentimes gutter "lyrics", the baseness and coarseness of the "values" it promotes up to and including violent assault and murder, the constant thumping of a drum beat, to be mind-numbing and irritating. I can't listen to more than a few seconds of it.

The mind-numbing aspect of it I have always thought to be deliberate.

And if this letter is to be believed, then that thought was confirmed:

"The Secret Meeting that Changed Rap Music and Destroyed a Generation"

It's almost too much to believe, but the author or authoress of the letter leaves no doubt what (allegedly) happened:

Quickly after the meeting began, one of my industry colleagues (who shall remain nameless like everyone else) thanked us for attending. He then gave the floor to a man who only introduced himself by first name and gave no further details about his personal background. I think he was the owner of the residence but it was never confirmed. He briefly praised all of us for the success we had achieved in our industry and congratulated us for being selected as part of this small group of “decision makers”. At this point I begin to feel slightly uncomfortable at the strangeness of this gathering. The subject quickly changed as the speaker went on to tell us that the respective companies we represented had invested in a very profitable industry which could become even more rewarding with our active involvement. He explained that the companies we work for had invested millions into the building of privately owned prisons and that our positions of influence in the music industry would actually impact the profitability of these investments. I remember many of us in the group immediately looking at each other in confusion. At the time, I didn’t know what a private prison was but I wasn't the only one. Sure enough, someone asked what these prisons were and what any of this had to do with us. We were told that these prisons were built by privately owned companies who received funding from the government based on the number of inmates. The more inmates, the more money the government would pay these prisons. It was also made clear to us that since these prisons are privately owned, as they become publicly traded, we’d be able to buy shares. Most of us were taken back by this. Again, a couple of people asked what this had to do with us. At this point, my industry colleague who had first opened the meeting took the floor again and answered our questions. He told us that since our employers had become silent investors in this prison business, it was now in their interest to make sure that these prisons remained filled. Our job would be to help make this happen by marketing music which promotes criminal behavior, rap being the music of choice. He assured us that this would be a great situation for us because rap music was becoming an increasingly profitable market for our companies, and as employee, we’d also be able to buy personal stocks in these prisons. Immediately, silence came over the room. You could have heard a pin drop. I remember looking around to make sure I wasn't dreaming and saw half of the people with dropped jaws. My daze was interrupted when someone shouted, “Is this a f****** joke?” At this point things became chaotic. Two of the men who were part of the “unfamiliar” group grabbed the man who shouted out and attempted to remove him from the house. A few of us, myself included, tried to intervene. One of them pulled out a gun and we all backed off. They separated us from the crowd and all four of us were escorted outside. My industry colleague who had opened the meeting earlier hurried out to meet us and reminded us that we had signed agreement and would suffer the consequences of speaking about this publicly or even with those who attended the meeting. I asked him why he was involved with something this corrupt and he replied that it was bigger than the music business and nothing we’d want to challenge without risking consequences. We all protested and as he walked back into the house I remember word for word the last thing he said, “It’s out of my hands now. Remember you signed an agreement.” He then closed the door behind him. The men rushed us to our cars and actually watched until we drove off.


As the months passed, rap music had definitely changed direction. I was never a fan of it but even I could tell the difference. Rap acts that talked about politics or harmless fun were quickly fading away as gangster rap started dominating the airwaves. Only a few months had passed since the meeting but I suspect that the ideas presented that day had been successfully implemented. It was as if the order has been given to all major label executives. The music was climbing the charts and most companies when more than happy to capitalize on it. Each one was churning out their very own gangster rap acts on an assembly line. Everyone bought into it, consumers included. Violence and drug use became a central theme in most rap music. I spoke to a few of my peers in the industry to get their opinions on the new trend but was told repeatedly that it was all about supply and demand. Sadly many of them even expressed that the music reinforced their prejudice of minorities.

The implications of the allegations are clear: There was a clear social engineering program to (1) infiltrate a popular trend, to co-opt it, and to redirect its focus into advocacy of criminal behavior in order (2) to fill up private prisons and turn profits for the shareholders, and, (3) as a "side benefit", to exploit the criminalizing trend to create a stereotype of minorities and economic classes and further culturally divide the country. The private prisons soon filled, mostly with young kids, at first predominantly African-American, then reaching out to grab other young people who were exposed to the "music", whites, Hispanics, and so on. We all know how peer pressure works, especially in high school, where to be "cool" and "accepted" means you listen to the latest "cool" music group. The social engineers could count on this to spread the contagion.

To the letter-writer's list of the aims and effects of this "program" one might add a fourth possible long-term goal: to so barbarize music that those who exposed themselves constantly to it were "dumbed down" and cut off from other more genuine musical forms with a history and tradition: jazz, rock, country, and (here it comes) "classical."

The question is, does one believe the letter?

I do, and here's why: in my last book Microcosm and Medium I pointed out how the "deep state" made a deliberate post-war effort to penetrate and manipulate the world of the arts and music, and to drive them deliberately into modernist forms; "traditionalists need not apply." It happened everywhere, and the goal was to promote a kind of antinomian freedom from all previous tradition, rules, canon, custom, and mores in order to demonstrate that the West - as opposed to the Soviet bloc - was genuinely free. In other words, decadence and antinomianism were drafted; the west was "free" because it could flout all traditional artistic boundaries. In the process of researching that book, I ran across David McGowan's Weird Scenes Inside the Canyon, a book that exposes the stunning manipulation of the rock groups associated with Laurel Canyon in the 1960s and 1970s. Every one had clear ties to the "military-industrial complex", and no group's art went anywhere near politics or cultural critique. It looked to me then - as I wrote my own book - and looks to me now, as if this was the "popular prong" of the same effort to manipulate art and music and to socially engineer the culture by means of it. By any measure, those early efforts were successful.

This letter, taken in that context, is showing the same pattern; it is contextually-historically corroborated, if nothing else. And it also says something else: those early "social engineering experiments" at the deliberate manipulation and promotion of certain types of art were so successful, that they were able to fine tune it for specific goals.

So, yes, I believe this meeting took place, and that the deliberate effort was made. Art, and music, are potent forms of mind manipulation and social engineering, and this letter is a reminder that art can both reflect, and create, a state of the soul. With enough exposure to ugliness, the soul becomes ugly. Ms. S.T. commented on my book Microcosm and Medium that "emptiness is the host to entrainment."

That is as aptly and succinctly put as can be, and I couldn't agree more.

See you on the flip side...

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Joseph P. Farrell

Joseph P. Farrell has a doctorate in patristics from the University of Oxford, and pursues research in physics, alternative history and science, and "strange stuff". His book The Giza DeathStar, for which the Giza Community is named, was published in the spring of 2002, and was his first venture into "alternative history and science".


  1. Neteru on November 12, 2018 at 8:32 pm

    also extensive and well researched podcast on the whole weaponization of the arts can be found on the Gnostic Media website, now called Logos Media. they do meticulous research and site sources in a way I think Doc Ferrell would approve of.

  2. Neteru on November 12, 2018 at 8:26 pm

    I would refer you the the works of one Professor Grif of the rap group public enemy. he published a book specifically talking about this subject. I bought it for my son. the whole scenario is made more clear by adding to the ladies statement about emptiness and entertainment, Richard Grove’s point, made on one of his Peace Revolution Podcast, which I thoroughly enjoyed, his comment compared entertainment to a-muse-ment. not many muses make it in the rap genre…

  3. John Samos on November 6, 2018 at 8:38 pm

    The ‘letter’ does read like pulp fiction but has some plausible stuff that has been floating around the web similiar to Miles Mathis’ articles on twentieth century painting and art. But it’s new to Gizadeathstar so it’s interesting to read Mr. Farrell’s view of the article.
    I believe I first read the article on ‘Vexmans Thoughts’, two degrees away from Mathis. Some of the above comments sound like William S. Lind’s ‘Traditional Right’, while others like Fritz Springmeyier (ms), from the Biblioteca Playades website.
    You connect the dots, you pick up the pieces.
    Yea, ya’ hear that before.

  4. Pierre on November 6, 2018 at 7:56 pm

    so no commenter here going to give it a good rap? me neither.
    I call him Jim (my daddy started the vietnam war) (Lizard King) Morrison.(McGowan did not mention the J word with that mob – see Miles Mathis nowadays for that) and that was the relatively good music (though laced with bad streaks) back in the day which is to be forever played in the shopping malls. apparently rap did not get to be a total takeover. perhaps the cleaners of the malls complained about the customers vomiting.
    Just finished reading Savitri Devi’s pilgrimage, where she (a religio-nazi – and I am sorely tempted to convert, believe me subject to the controlled opposition meme or it’s antidote* ) goes back to Germany in 1953 (and 1949 before then)… complains about that horrid Jazz noise coming from the Ameri’s. see her Pilgrimage at (before it and similar are digitally burned by the Freudians)
    I used to joke if the Nazis had won, would we still be listening to Wagner all the time. Now I know that were are listening to it’s anti-thesis all the time (or tuning out as I do).
    That Take The Rap or Go To Crap exec meeting on I knew about .. it’s like the Protocols or the Report from Iron Mountain – if not true, then true enough.
    THX1138 – Lucas film of 1971 – is also ‘telegraphing’ what is planned for us refuseniks.
    The Eagles sang Wasted Time and concluded it wasn’t – most of my ‘upbringing’ under this rule with these songs for anti-philosophers was wasted, but fuel for changes.
    The Snowdens of Animal farm should take care their attack dogs do not turn on them (if they only knew, NAACP and all that). I have given up on Dr Who, I can’t take it any more. ‘Rosa’ my commie ass, and Rap Spiders from Mars to step on with Orwell’s big boot – Trumps if he turns on them for real. / end rant.

  5. LSM on November 6, 2018 at 3:21 pm

    I believe the report is completely true- the proof is in the pudding- common, folks, you can hear it with your own ears-

    as music is my profession (opera singer) I felt completely compelled to comment on this;

    not even “classical” music has been spared having its positive, soothing visceral cores wrenched out;

    look at most opera productions anymore: nothing but 2nd-class singers whose voices are being buried by over-loud orchestras, ugly sets distorted even more by distracting multi-media screen projections in the background, increasingly even uglier costumes that flatter no-one and staging ‘concepts’ that are nothing more than glorified filth, ugliness, degredation and desecration;

    life definitely mirrors itself in all of its reflective facets-

    Larry in Germany

  6. Gray Berg on November 5, 2018 at 11:10 pm

    FYI: After “Weird Scenes Inside the Canyon” (a must read), David McGowan was working on a book about the fake school shooting at Sandy Hook when he was conveniently eliminated/murdered. May he rest in peace and may God be with the family he left behind.

    • zendogbreath on November 6, 2018 at 1:06 am

      curious about how much traction and support robert david steele is gonna get along these same lines. it does seem sandy hook is the line in the sand. anyone hear from jim fetzer lately? sandy hook is the lever joe rogan is always pulling as to the only think he hates about alex jones.

    • thebodyelectric on November 10, 2018 at 7:42 am

      Dave Mcgowan wasn’t murdered or eliminated, he died from cancer and was quite open about it, in fact he posted about it on his website, the Centre for an Informed America.
      As for the rap issue and the tone of the letter, it does not surprise me in the slightest. For those of us that grew up with the early era of hip hop and have seen the rise and dominance of the so-called gangster rap, it has done very little other than leave a bad taste. It’s a massive shame as there are MC’s that are respected wordsmiths like Rakim. Others that do pen lyrics that are socially aware, for example Jel ft Wise intelligent and their track called WMD but this output gets sidelined in favour of the darker side of the genre. The promotional machine has done it’s job well as all too often when people think of rap, they only think of the dark and shallow side because tha’ts the only stuff that really gets the airtime.
      The Devil does not have all the best tunes but he does have control of the playlist.
      I hope this post actually registers on the site, second time of trying….

  7. Francois Raby on November 5, 2018 at 10:34 pm

    All manner of war has been the greatest predator law of the fittest business since the immemorial “cosmic war”. There are cyclical harvests taken from this planet, Charles Fort would’ve agreed is my guess. It’s done in regular astro-precessional steps like clockwork serviced by worshipping and ideological boots on the ground. They lie, cheat and kill to get their cut of the action, that’s how dogs get their bone from the true lofty masters. The story stays the same, only theater props change. That is why I would add “mnemotechnical” history to the trivium for humanity’s benefit.
    Oh I remember now, they had that funny thing in dying oral traditions where they told of strange mythic tales and lore, thinking they were just fantasies for ignorant children and uncivilized or retarded adults called the crazy pagans. This planet falls far from short when it comes to the unexplained weird anomalies, but the strangest of all is when they start to converge as they’re doing now.

  8. DB on November 5, 2018 at 10:21 pm

    Catherine Austin Fitts wrote an online book about prisons and stock profits.

  9. Margaret on November 5, 2018 at 10:21 pm

    I believe this letter & I am not surprised. Think of the latest killings,.. I wonder if they listened to this rap with headphone blaring in their ears & brain. We all know what music can change the frequencies in the brain. This negative stuff that people listen to only encourages violence & reprogramming of the brain. The music industry has become this dark place. Yet when I am in Sweden, people do not listen to this, it is not played on the radio. Instead, their music is cheerful & fun to listen to. They keep their music very traditional … maybe that’s why the Scandinavian countries are more positive.

  10. zendogbreath on November 5, 2018 at 9:56 pm


    we don’t know the half of it. and it’s all documented and declassified. we’re on to more than we wanna be.

    you realize the doors, the dead and a host of others were paid to market lsd among other thinks. and that cia seeded and fed the idea into haight asbury?
    anyone remember george white and sidney gottlieb?

    which reminds me. trivial or not tidbit. jim morrison was the son of the admiral charged with the pacific fleet when they false flagged gulf of tonkin a couple times. thought he and one of csny went to years and years of military school for training that applied so well to their careers.

    • Tim H on November 6, 2018 at 3:22 pm

      Gonna play devil’s advocate and point out that JM was totally estranged from his father.

      • Tim H on November 6, 2018 at 3:23 pm

        Pretty sure he studied film at UCLA.

  11. Kent on November 5, 2018 at 9:53 pm

    I’ve read this “letter” elsewhere. The story may be true, but the writing sounds to me like a cheap pulp detective narration.

  12. goshawks on November 5, 2018 at 8:20 pm

    (Note the date of the article: April 2012. Long ago. Plus, the ‘style’ of the letter just reeks of an intel op. Nevertheless…)

    The PTB want a dumbed-down humanity. Think of the old movie Metropolis, where you had a worker-class and an aristocratic class. The workers had to be smart enough to throw levers and haul produce. That’s all…

    I am going to step slightly into the esoteric here. Folks uncomfortable with that realm might want to move to the next comment. A quick trip through the Chakra System, and the relation to music (or art) follows.

    The Chakra System is a group (nominally seven) of energy centers located through the torso of the body. Some are familiar to the West; the Heart Chakra corresponds with what we associate as heart-centered feelings. In general terms, the Chakras below the heart are associated with individuality (“I Am”) and the Chakras from heart on up are associated with collectivity (“We Are”).

    Music and art can be ‘rated’ by where they draw the person’s consciousness. The ‘Hallelujah Chorus’ from Handel’s Messiah draws one to the heart and up. ‘Pachelbel’s Canon in D’ plays most of the chakras like a flute. However, rap music stays well below the heart – in the power, sexuality, and survival chakras.

    Where a person’s consciousness is anchored tends to determine their actions. If the PTB wanted to ‘coarsen’ and ‘fragment’ humanity, music that played (sorry) solely to the lower Chakra areas would be just the thing…

    • zendogbreath on November 6, 2018 at 12:18 am

      i know i keep coming back to this. i’m not looking at the conspiracy theory / psy op behind it. it just seems like a good idea : 432 A above middle C tuning. look at the image in cymatics

      also. consider eileen mckusick.

      • Kahlypso on November 6, 2018 at 3:41 am

        ZDB Ive been looking at Cymatics and Resonance (ergo 432hz and everything associated) since almost the first day I learnt about Mind Control through reading about Presidio. I’d like to know what you know 🙂 Come onto Community or Forum or PM me plz 🙂

        • zendogbreath on November 7, 2018 at 1:45 am

          sorry k. up past my bed time already just being here. i’ll never sleep if i go there.

          why presidio? you talking about micheal aquino? (hilarious. couldn’t remember his name – never can. so i googled presidio colonel baby raper. he came up on i don’t know how many pages of hits.)

      • LSM on November 6, 2018 at 3:24 pm

        re-tuning from A432 to A440 was long in the planing

  13. marcos toledo on November 5, 2018 at 6:23 pm

    The use of the media to destroy is longer than the last twenty years. Books, movies, music have been used for centuries to foul the reputation of the Romans, Native People worldwide other groups can be added to the list the way the history is taught in schools can be the subject of many posts on this website for years to come. The tie-in of media to the prison industry has always been with us in one form or another only occasionally popping up in the news when fits our master’s interests. Nothing like drumming up an scare among the public every now and then by the way slavery has never gone away just rebranded for the next generation.

  14. Richard on November 5, 2018 at 5:00 pm

    . . . I thought your term of “barbarize,” was an interesting characterization of certain music talked about. . . Not one to consider that Ragnarök is just around the corner or under each advertisement, but was curious what you think of the following:

    “2CELLOS – Thunderstruck” and respective accompanying audience

    or “Lindsey Sterling’s – Master of Tides” and special entourage and location

    or “TheSnakeCharmer – Shipping to Boston” while taking the scenic route provided by a cursed metronome

    . . . One will understand if you should have to tweak your perception of the re-use of these fine instruments. . .

    • zendogbreath on November 7, 2018 at 1:29 am

      pied piper baby. way better than the original. wonder if that’d be some alistar crowley crap if they’d never put lyrics (spells) to it. but ya know ac/dc had rituals before releasing albums and all.

      that thang with lindsey looked like that was serious fun. of course there’s gotta be a pirate involved right?

      guess nobody had to put a gun to metal and rock bands’ heads. especially with such gate keepers as jimmy saville deciding who gets play time.

      thank you richard. made my night.

  15. Robert Barricklow on November 5, 2018 at 4:57 pm

    I’ve watched so-called documentaries[w/ my son] on these rap stars/music. I suspected this was an black commercial op subtly promoting violence. There are other medias doing the same[daily news].
    “They’re” all on the same the party-line choir page.
    Their religion is the Market God with ad nauseum disciples like the every-ready & present Supply & Demand.

    Ubiquitous Guantanamo Bay CIA music used to torture and create a dissonance throughout the culture. Ubiquitous; because it is not only in rap; it’s throughout art, including literature. From the downright ugly to simply mimicking the party-line through airwaves, wifi – all mediums: in print, song, and video.
    We’re swimming in the CIA info sewer, including their special season favorite money/power-maker:
    [$]Election Time.
    Talk about ADs nauseum!
    [another form of torture; that ironically, uses background Hollywooded music to help imprint its choir message.]

  16. Kahlypso on November 5, 2018 at 3:54 pm

    Hip Hop is used to keep black people in prison.. its a Youtube Video.. sorry.. ” Poor Righteous Teacher Hip Hop Was Pushed In A Negative Direction” :

  17. primal_murmur on November 5, 2018 at 12:36 pm

    Catherine Austin Fitts addressed this in the last Solari Report. In response to a subscriber asking her what she thought of the article she basically said it’s either true, or the gist of it is true.
    If you haven’t read her testimony on how private prisons actually came about, it’s well worth your time in the context of Joseph’s post here

  18. ML light 1 on November 5, 2018 at 10:29 am

    From my experience in the music industry over the past 15 years, this is absolutely true!! I currently work at a SF venue (a “retired” Masonic Lodge) that is nothing but a “brain washing facility”, as we call it. The rap groups we present (about 50% of the yearly shows) almost always have the same “message”, and visual displays (which are nothing but hypnotic kaleidoscopes of pentagrams, triangles, and images of sex, and death). This years finale for closing out almost every show I worked– no joke– finished with a chant, F@!! Donald Trump, F@!! Donald Trump, … … This goes on for roughly five minutes until the crowd is whipped into a hate-filled frenzy, thus upon exiting the venue, tend to destroy as much of the 100+ year old building as possible. The violence at these shows is a guarantee, and the “lyrics” are filled with nothing but hate, violence, rape, and death. We always say, “You know who doesn’t care about the black community? The young, influential black man with the microphone.” To top off the insanity, our venue is owned by a major corporation whose founder is supposedly a conservative Christian. Also, he just so happened to use a familiar abbreviation for the name of his company– AEG. I wonder where I’ve heard that name before???

  19. enki-nike on November 5, 2018 at 8:47 am

    ‘Criminal behavior’ of course means ‘drug use’. The holders of private prison stocks cannot be too happy that Canada has legalized recreational marijuana use and the Mexican supreme Court has recently ruled that an absolute ban on recreational use of marijuana is unconstitutional.

    • Roger on November 5, 2018 at 9:12 pm

      They actually like it because at the same time they are increasing prison time for those who get caught selling it illegally. Legal pot is unaffordable to the poor.

    • zendogbreath on November 5, 2018 at 11:35 pm

      yep. it’s not like they’re gonna let people do what comes naturally and well for all of us. curious how portugal is doing. and how they’re doing it.

  20. Kahlypso on November 5, 2018 at 8:34 am

    This one explains it all..
    Frankfort School -> Tavistock Institute. Its all about mind control my friends.
    Then there’s this as well.

  21. WalkingDead on November 5, 2018 at 7:30 am

    One might be tempted to say certain “Protocols” were in implementation.

  22. Miguel Oniga on November 5, 2018 at 6:59 am

    This is straight Mark Devlin country. Maybe the time has come around for Joseph to take on The Beatles.

    • Katie B on November 5, 2018 at 7:57 am

      Agree. Joseph check out Mark Devlin on YouTube. He’s written two books as well. He used to be a DJ. Written all about this – emphasis on rap, dance and trance and it’s connections with not just crime but also promoting transhumanism.

      • zendogbreath on November 5, 2018 at 10:08 pm

        mick jagger got a loan from his alma mater LSE for equipment for their first gig. we all knew he was a child of tavistock already though, right?

        • Katie B on November 6, 2018 at 4:30 am

          Yes, listen to some of Mark Devlin’s stuff. Most bands/singers (especially now) all back to military intel.

    • zendogbreath on November 5, 2018 at 10:18 pm

      wow. thank you for the tip.

  23. anakephalaiosis on November 5, 2018 at 6:26 am

    In wake of tragedy in 2011, I said to Rottenchild’s secret police in Norway, that Charlemagne were welcome to lock me up for life, and that I have no problem with staring at the wall for 20 years.

    Today, Rottenchild’s secret police avoids Widukind like the plague, since he bursts their bubbles, blows their minds and exposes their moles. Angelic transcendence is beyond what is known.

    Patristic exegesis is great entertainment, because it alters fabric of reality – the matrix. Man overcomes imprisonment of flesh tent, by sequence-logic-cycle in deified-loop-spin.

    Sea is dire straits,
    riding sea horse unbridled,
    in roaring waves.

    • SchwarzenStein on November 5, 2018 at 3:41 pm


  24. Philippe Giguere on November 5, 2018 at 5:18 am

    I have a hard time believing the letter, received in a mailbox with no trace as to its source. This said – when I look at the video games and movies being thrown at my kids, and when I see how addictive and manipulative these things are, I have no difficulty in believing that many Mind Control programs are at play to modify society. Rap & electronic music do seem like a prime target, with fancy videos, do seem like efficient delivery systems. GTA, Work B**ch anyone?

    • zendogbreath on November 5, 2018 at 10:00 pm

      pg, i have heard and read the same from a number of different sources. of that room full of execs as well as stories of various execs who closely and carefully guided their artists. it’s not a hard sell to believe after reading a bit more of doc’s work and neil sanders’

      • Philippe Giguere on November 6, 2018 at 4:34 am

        Hi ZendogBreath… Tx for the comment which I understand. The reason I do not believe the email is that gun story. Honestly, when powerful actors want things done, they do not round up people in a room and threaten them at gun point. Instead, what they do – is to purchase the companies (sometimes sabotaging them economically first) and then basically place their people in the Boards / Executive Committee. 1° That’s much more efficient. 2° Its legal and 3° Its invisible. But it doesn’t matter. What really does matter is that Video games and Music are effectively modifying people in various ways, many of which negative, and most likely with various programs in place. Finally – what could also be discussed are the effect of electricity on society, and for example on the metal non natural sounds of music today, but that’s another topic.

        • LSM on November 6, 2018 at 3:29 pm

          “Honestly, when powerful actors want things done, they do not round up people in a room and threaten them at gun point”

          oh, yes they do at times; look at world history-

          the fastest way to get anying done is to threaten them at gun point and then as “powerful actors” disappear without a trace

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