It's been a long time since I actually blogged on the weekend, but with all the Epstein news and speculation out there, I simply had to do so, sort of as a "bonus" this week. To be frank, I had thought about doing this blog during the weekdays, but as this website as a more or less international audience, I thought that it would be better to do so as a kind of "extra" rather than fixate on it during the week.  But make no mistake, the Epstein case is significant, precisely because of its international nature. As no other case or individual, Mr. Epstein was connected. In the apt words of one American commentator, he was the most important prisoner in the world.

The case is significant also for an almost philosophical reason, because according to polls in America, the vast majority of people are simply not buying the suicide narrative, and of those who do, the outrage factor is in the red zone. Epstein has crystallized the sense of outrage so much that his case symbolizes a cultural and epistemological crisis that the country is in. Virtually every aspect of the narrative that we're being told has already been questioned, and virtually every detail can be interpreted from a variety of points of view and in the absence of trust in any narrative put out by the government, speculations and theories abound, many of which make much more sense than the narrative we're being asked to accept. In short, Epstein has created a kind of epistemological crisis: so deep is the cynicism now that - as I remarked in a private conversation to a friend - if the government investigation initiated by Attorney General Barr were to be completely transparent and tell the absolute truth, no one is going to believe it, and you can put me in that category. The institutions of government have lied to the American people for so long, and so deeply, the double standard application of law has become so apparent, that the cynicism runs so deep no one will believe them any more. That's an epistemological crisis, a cultural one, and ultimately, a crisis of governance. At this stage, some big name people are going to have to appear in orange jump suits - and soon - or government regardless of who is running it is going to lose what tiny little shards of credibility it has left.

As a case in point to illustrate this "epistemological crisis", consider the following article:

FBI agents swarm Jeffrey Epstein's private Caribbean island

In the aftermath of Epstein's suicide-Arkancide-substitution or whatever-it-was-that-happened last weekend, one school of thought quickly expressed itself, namely, that with Epstein officially out of the way, nothing could prevent the government from going in and seizing all sorts of stuff from his various properties and estates. Et voila! That's what the article here states has happened, and in jig time too. Nothing suspicious about that (heavy cough). On the internet, a certain segment of people have commented that this is all "according to the plan worked out in detail years in advance" and so on, and that all is well. Trust the plan. I view this group with the same jaundiced skepticism as I do the whole Epstein whatever-happened story, and in the same sort of mood as I view the Inter-galactic Blue Chickens Disclosure group. In effect, they're saying, "See? The FBI is on top of this, and they're gathering more evidence! The arrests are about to begin!"

Really?!? Why couldn't they be destroying evidence? After all, this was the same government that: (1) lied about JFK with its magic bullet-lone nut theory; (2) destroyed evidence at Waco, (3) destroyed evidence at Oklahoma City, and (4) repeated the performance on 9/11, and on and on we could go. The FBI, which was clearly politicized and weaponized by one political group against another - think Ohr, Stzrok, McCabe, Comey &c - is all of a sudden trustworthy? My point here is, that one may interpret each detail in a variety of ways, often mutually contradictory.

And that's what I mean by an epistemological crisis. With so many reasonably articulated theories out there, with so little forthcoming, and with trust at an all time low and skepticism at an all time high, why should one believe anything the government or the media - and let us never forget the Clowns In America's penetration of that media - says? One famous American tv talk show host, I've noticed, has been repeatedly stating in his broadcasts that the FBI is the world's greatest investigative organization. Why would he be doing this? Because trust and respect are earned, not commanded, and the FBI has lost both. Don't feed me the line that there are many good people in the organization, for an organization that can be so easily subverted and perverted by a few at the top is not an organization to be trusted. What holds true for a few popes and cardinals in the Middle Ages (or for that matter, more recently) holds true here. Penance requires the perp walks in this instance, and things are so bad that unless people start seeing the orange jump suits, no one is going to believe them any more.

But I had to do this blog for a very different reason, because there is a template in the case that no one - to my knowledge - has noticed. I noticed, but didn't want to comment on it, lest people think that once again I've fallen off the end of the twig, hit my head, and become loonier than the usual high octane speculation. I decided to blog about this template when I received an email, or a comment - I don't remember which - from someone whose initials I forget, who also noticed that same strange template, a template which may point a finger at whoever may have been behind his suicide, substitution, abduction, or whatever-it-was-that-actually-happened-last-weekend.

And that is, have you noticed the very strange and detailed parallels between the Epstein whatever-happened-last-weekend story, and that of Rudolf Hess? While there's obviously much to distinguish the two, consider the following strange parallels:

(1) Both men were, at the time of their alleged suicides, the most important prisoners in the world, each having an international significance;

(2) Both men were under heavy guard and being watched constantly, and in maximum security prisons - the "tombs" in Epstein's case, and Spandau in Hess's;

(3) Both men allegedly committed suicide under circumstances that made their doing so next to physically impossible;

(4) Both men's alleged suicides also invoked theories of substitutions and doubles, which theories included close examination of their physical appearance: World War One wounds suffered by Hess and the apparent lack thereof on Spandau Hess, and different nose and ear shapes between Epstein and the pictures of the body being we've been shown (always remembering that the mockingbird media might be deliberately obfuscating that data precisely in order to create a bit of "Epstein" theater to distract attention);

(5) Both men had strong ties to the British royal family;

(6) Both men stated prior to their deaths that someone would try to kill them;

(7) Both men had an international network of connections and knew "secrets" which if exposed could damage many reputations and operations;

(8) Both men were deeply connected to intelligence agencies;

(9) Both men had some sort of connection to Jewish interests, Epstein being Jewish, and connected to suspected Mossad interests, the Bronfmans, &c., and Hess being connected to the Haushofers (and let's not forget Menachim Begin's alleged warning to Carter about Hess);

(10) In the case of both men, governments moved quickly to seize papers and other evidence, and to obfuscate evidence, in Epstein's case, as was seen above, by quick raids shortly after the whatever-it-was-that-happened last weekend, and in Hess's case, both the UK and Nazi governments moved quickly to seize compounds and papers after his flight to Scotland, and then again, after his death when significant files in the UK went conveniently missing.

And on and on we could go.

It's that template, here, in other words, that disturbs, particularly in Epstein's case, for it suggests that an old playbook was dusted off, and reused.

See you on the flip side...

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Joseph P. Farrell

Joseph P. Farrell has a doctorate in patristics from the University of Oxford, and pursues research in physics, alternative history and science, and "strange stuff". His book The Giza DeathStar, for which the Giza Community is named, was published in the spring of 2002, and was his first venture into "alternative history and science".


  1. zendogbreath on August 23, 2019 at 2:35 pm

    piling deeper now.
    Jeff Epstein’s HUGE Orange Jumpsuit MCC Error – Farrington’s Fake News – Jizzlaine’s In N Out Burger

  2. zendogbreath on August 21, 2019 at 1:20 pm

    came across this today. so far the best summary I have seen.

    https://www youtube com/watch?v=C0DbN-8MVnU
    Finally, some decent reporting on Epstein

    from the real news dot com

    • Danna on August 25, 2019 at 9:46 pm

      Has the link been removed. Error message: can not connect.

  3. Jarret on August 20, 2019 at 8:08 am

    For anyone wanting clarification on the Epstein saga, and more importantly his background, associates, and financiers, listen to this:

  4. goshawks on August 20, 2019 at 3:54 am

    Well, Epstein created a big trust. Private. With his brother as heir and cronies as executors. If one were to still be alive, that would be a dandy way to continue to have access to one’s fortune…

    • goshawks on August 20, 2019 at 3:57 am

      “Two days before his untimely death in a Manhattan jail, Jeffrey Epstein signed a will listing over $577 million in assets… The assets were transferred to a trust as of August 8, ensuring that the details of how his fortune will be distributed are kept private. Epstein listed his brother Mark as the lone heir and his longtime lawyer Darren Ind-y-ke and close friend Richard Kahn as executors…”

    • goshawks on August 20, 2019 at 4:06 am

      (I just found another forbidden word: “dy ke”, from a man’s name ‘Darren Indy ke’. This is why the post was broken-up – to isolate the offender. Dy ke must be exceptionally banned, as the post just ‘vanished’ three times. Not put into ‘modding’ status – just gone. The coder must really not like that word…)

  5. Richard on August 20, 2019 at 1:22 am

    According to polls? You say. It would seem that he and his business of connections are the established new distraction by some folks to detract from the previous obsessive-compulsive scenarios of twisted dissemination and obfuscation. Most likely, propaganda 101.2.

    Although, for other investigative reasons, one was checking on those southern hemispheric areas where volcanoes and cold meet frequently. One area, Mount Michael, on Saunders Island, one of several of the South Sandwich Islands, of sub-Antarctic location. It’s one of eight above-sea-level volcanoes that maintains a persistent lava lake within its crater given how many volcanoes (over a thousand) that are land based.

    At any rate, not one to add a flash point to your “high octane speculations,” and to those correlations between Hess and Epstein, interesting enough as they are, it makes one wonder if Epstein took a trip to Antarctica to look around like others have in the past. One thing is for certain is that this stuff about his jail time are not over.

  6. zendogbreath on August 19, 2019 at 11:58 pm

    Saw this from Gateway Pundit tonight.

    HERE IT IS: Complete List of Inconsistencies in Prison Policy Surrounding Jeffrey Epstein’s Death
    Jim Hoft by Jim Hoft August 15, 2019 827 Comments

    On Saturday the most notorious prisoner in the US prison system committed “suicide.”

    Jeffrey Epstein was 66 at the time of his death.

    Epstein was the highest profile prisoner in the US prison system.
    On Tuesday the autopsy revealed Epstein suffered broken bones in his neck common in homicide by strangulation.

    Since his death we have learned a number of things that make you question this man’s death.

    Here is a Complete List of Inconsistencies in Prison Policy Surrounding Jeffrey Epstein’s Death:
    ** Epstein said he was considering cooperating in “naming names” in his international sex ring
    ** He was found unconscious in his prison cell just three weeks earlier
    ** Two days prior to his death documents released for the first time implicated several top Democrats in his pedo sex ring
    ** He was taken off suicide watch after a failed attempt just two weeks earlier
    ** He was in isolation (unusual for a suicidal individual)
    ** The cameras malfunctioned — There is no video
    ** Even Mexico had video of El Chapo’s escape from prison
    ** Then later we hear the cameras showed the guards did not do rounds? Which is it?
    ** The prison guards had worked several extra shifts last week
    ** One prison guard on his floor was not even a certified guard
    ** The prison guards “forgot” to check on Epstein
    ** The prison guards slept through their shift
    ** The guards did not check Epstein for several hours
    ** There were reports of screaming the morning Epstein died
    ** The MCC had not seen a successful suicide in 40 years
    ** Epstein said he was the victim of attempted murder three weeks ago
    ** Epstein’s former roommate is facing mass murder charges
    ** Epstein had dirt on numerous globalist elites
    ** Epstein was not given paper sheets
    ** Epstein had sheets in his cell to hang himself
    ** Epstein was not suicidal according to medical professionals
    ** Epstein told his lawyers on Friday, a day before his death, “See you Sunday.”
    ** Epstein’s former roommate heard nothing
    ** Epstein reportedly had to get on his knees to hang himself from his bed
    ** Epstein autopsy showed broken bones in neck common in strangulation deaths

    This prison obviously suffered a breakdown in official policy.
    And now the liberal media and Marco Rubio believe you are a conspiracy theorist for questioning Epstein’s death.

  7. marcos toledo on August 19, 2019 at 8:10 pm

    Will the real Jeffery Epstein, please stand up. Truth or Consequences.

    • Kent on August 20, 2019 at 11:58 pm

      Not Truth Or Consequences, but To Tell The Truth.

  8. Jen on August 19, 2019 at 3:40 pm

    Hello Dr Farrell, I was just wondering why a comment (well two actually, as one was revised), has been held in moderation since 18/08/19 when comments by others have preceded them.
    I would be interested in knowing if it was offensive in any way.
    I am only interested in discovering the truth of any matter and feel grateful for any medium which supports truth and objectivity wherever it can be found in these sad days, and I take your site to be one such.

    • goshawks on August 19, 2019 at 9:19 pm

      Jen, it wasn’t anything you said. The automated system used here (“modding”) is programmed to reject any posting having words which include “h0mo” and “b1tch” as part of them. (ZDB got bitten for using a URL with the address “b1tchute”, for example.) Your cardinal sin was using the word “h0mosexual.” I have been bitten for “h0mogenity” and “h0mo sapiens” in the past. Again, any word with “h0mo” or “b1tch” within it, and there may exist other ‘offensive’ seed-syllables. Ironically, “ass” is safe…

      • zendogbreath on August 20, 2019 at 12:10 am

        Concur. The easiest fix is to highlight and control c your text before hitting post comment. If rejected, then control v your comment into the comment screen and try again. Pass through the entire comment looking for potential culprits like those highlighted by Goshawks. Usually a space between a few suspect letters gets it. The system allows for one or two url’s per comment. Or if you add spaces to unlink the link that can work too. If you already posted comment and it dissappeared, try clicking on back. Usually, that will take me back one screen to the entire comment screen just before I hit post. Hope that helps. What does all this say about AI?

      • Jen on August 20, 2019 at 3:13 am

        I see. Thank you Goshawks, I was very puzzled, as usually comments appear immediately. I thought that maybe the royals had placed an embargo on me!
        I’ll try to avoid those obstacles in future. Yes, AI seems to be circling us into the tiny corral of control bit by bit. Thanks for taking the time to explain.

      • Jen on August 20, 2019 at 3:17 am

        Thank you zendogbreath for taking the time to explain.

      • Jen on August 20, 2019 at 3:19 am

        Thank you Goshawks for taking the time to explain.

        • Sandygirl on August 20, 2019 at 7:10 pm

          Yesterday, I had 2 LA Times articles disappear that I had saved over a year ago. Makes me ? ! Information “they” didn’t want out there.

  9. OrigensChild on August 19, 2019 at 8:53 am

    I apologize for arriving late at this party. It was an eventful weekend personally.

    As the Epstein Suicide Affair broke I too drifted toward the Hess Affair for similar reasons. Someone here got there first and my reflective capital was invested in another direction. Within the back of my mind I, too, thought this affair followed a template–though I didn’t think of that term at the time. In fact as the affair started to unfold back earlier in the month, I was reminded of Alexander Duma’s The Man in the Iron Mask–of which both the Hess Affair and the Epstein Affair appear to be variations thereof. Both represented actions of multiple Deep States–with their own variation of a prisoner exchange program for deep, covert operations of a geopolitical accounting procedure to balance the ledgers for some occult purpose. Dumas wrote this book to detail the depth that such deep, political operations can take when a nation is involved in regime change–but the template is there to follow for international operations as well. The goal doesn’t necessarily require a regime change either–though to some degree the Epstein Affair may well indicate an end to something. As I said, there before, there are so many variations of outcomes in this story it may take a while for us to identify the right threads to follow. I, for one, have learned to be patient. Once we have found the correct signature we can move backward to see the persons responsible for signing the warrant approving this operation. Forensics will reveal something.

    • OrigensChild on August 19, 2019 at 9:03 am

      By forensics, I’m not talking from official government sources. Eventually a new Jim Marrs will emerge to follow stories like this to their conclusion. If the template is followed there may well be a lateral body count, a series of predictable evidentiary gathering operations, a series of random but related events, and some unsuspected arrests, disappearances or detentions of actors who must be retired from public view.

  10. Daniel on August 18, 2019 at 10:21 pm

    As I remember it in a recent interview you did with Catherine Austin Fitts you both predicted that a number of bad actors including Epstein would be erased because they weren’t needed anymore. Their usefulness had ended. So Epstein’s demise or whatever it is that happened here was not a surprise. When I heard the news I just thought: Well, that was expected.

  11. Jen on August 18, 2019 at 9:36 am

    I haven’t read Dr Farrell’s books on Hess, so my knowledge is based on my general historic reading, in which Hess is depicted as being very, very, close to the Third Reich’s centre of power. so, if Dr Farell’s analogy/far end of twig specualtion is correct, then Epstein is very, very close to a major centre of power. The question being which power? Quite a few contenders in the global mafioso; Anglo/American, NWO, Zion/Greater Israel (and for myself, I don’t believe that ‘Israel’ has anything to do with Judaism and people who profess that faith. Israel seems to be a strategic geo-political construct; maybe Jerusalem will aquire a City-State status with a world cyber/tech control mandate? ). How far can this Hess/Epstein analogy go?
    Interestingly, today’s Daily Mail (18/08/19), has quite a few articles presenting the Royals in a very bad light – Mountbatten as a predatory homosexual paedophile (!!), Harry and Meghan as environmental hyprocites and freeloaders, and to top it off, photos of Prince Andrew sneakily hanging around inside of Epstein ‘s Manhatten mansion. What is the point of this? In the mainstream media too ? It so feels like a huge global techtonic plate shifting somehow and whether epistemological uncertainty and crises are being manipulated around the ‘Old Order’ systematically and tactically to prepare the ground for greater disorder to come?

    • Jarret on August 20, 2019 at 8:01 am

      Israel has nothing to do with Judaism and Jews?
      You’re joking right?

      • Danna on August 25, 2019 at 10:03 pm

        Not according to many, Israel = Jesus.

        • Jarret on September 2, 2019 at 4:17 am

          Only if by ‘many’ you mean “brainwashed, idiotic Evangelical Christian baby-boomers”… those are currently the only people who buy that sort of disinformation drivel

  12. Jen on August 18, 2019 at 9:10 am

    I haven’t read Dr Farrell’s books on Hess, so my knowledge is based on my general historic reading, in which Hess is depicted as being very, very, close to the Third Reich centre of power. so, if Dr Farell’s analogy/far end of twig specualtion is coreect, then Epstein is very, very close to a major centre of power. The question being which power? Quite a few contenders in the global mafioso. Anglo/American, NWO, Zion/Greater Israel. How far can this analogy go?
    Interestingly, today’s Daily Mail (18/08/19), has quite a few articles presenting the Royals in a very bad light – Mountbatten as a predatory homosexual paedophile (!!), Harry and Maghan as environmental hyprocites and freeloaders, and to top it off, photos of Prince Andrew sneakily hanging around inside of Epstein ‘s Manhatten mansion. What is the point of this? In the mainstream media? It so feels like a huge global techtonic plate shifting somehow and whether epistemological uncertainty and crises are being manipulated around the ‘Old Order’ systematically and tactically to prepare the ground for greater disorder to come?

    • Katie B on August 22, 2019 at 4:41 am

      Jen, I think your insight is spot on.

  13. DanaThomas on August 18, 2019 at 5:38 am

    “Destroying evidence”. I am shocked and appalled by such a cynical thought 🙂

  14. WalkingDead on August 18, 2019 at 2:28 am

    The Epstein character has been written out of the ongoing tragedy and been given the same public “retirement party” countless other intelligence assets turned liabilities have received. Whether he actually died or will spend the remainder of his life, after plastic surgery, in some elite retirement village is of little consequence. There will be no real justice for his victims, though some may be “paid off” with large sums in settlements from his “estate”. The rest will meet a nasty fate, no doubt, and the same sorry tale will keep on going. There are no more men of honor who will take this on and see it to its rightful conclusion.
    Sad as this is to say, it is the world in which we find ourselves today.

    • Ronin on August 19, 2019 at 1:58 pm

      “There are no more men of honor who will take this on and see it to its rightful conclusion.”

      An interesting point that is often overlooked. Where are the men of action? My guess, they are NEVER provided the opportunity to rise through the ranks high enough to make a difference in anything other than what their handlers present to them. Similar to your average Joe, keep him overworked and focused on the task at hand, and he’ll never shift his gaze to the horizon.

  15. Pierre on August 17, 2019 at 7:55 pm

    We are left as in Plato’s cave… looking for pattern recognition aspects , seeking shadows of the shadows.
    GBW Bush said, if the public knew what we got up to they would hang us… I think if they realllty knew, the public would just a likely hang themselves living in a world run by people like that for so long, eyes wide shut.

  16. Beckysue on August 17, 2019 at 6:11 pm

    Good one Dr. Farrell! I figured they put him in jail IN ORDER to kill him, so many good excuses and can’t be that hard to control the story. Bill Barr has a history, and I also thought he was in to protect the Bushes while they went after the rest. But if you say Bush you have to think about the South American contingent, too. That could get stinky. Not enough history and info out in the mainstream for folks to be really “woke”. I have a hard time believing Trump is going to rid the world of those parasites. Although he seems to have some “good” power behind him. Even if the Clintons, fed officials go to jail, the institutions will still be rotten.

    • cursichella on August 18, 2019 at 6:09 am

      “I figured they put him in jail IN ORDER to kill him, so many good excuses and can’t be that hard to control the story.”

      That makes some sense. The timing so close to the release of the sealed documents.

      I’m thinking the first “suicide attempt/scuffle” “found in fetal position” as an excuse to move him “to the hospital”, then either into safe hiding/new life (if he had a dead man’s switch) or, to kill him if not. The stories about his depression, being suicidal, reports from his lawyers, his ex-cop/murderer “cell mate” and that mysterious young female visitor were all press-fed IMHO to make people believe he was still in the jail. Then there’s that body on Epstein’s gurney….

      Bear with MY twig saunter here…the body on Epstein’s gurney looked EXACTLY LIKE Tony Rodham, not Epstein.

      Hillary said on June 8th, “We lost my brother Tony last night.”. All presumed that meant he was dead, but was he?

      Or possibly kept on ice for an Epstein swap? Maybe Rodham wasn’t “lost”, but literally swapped, and it was Rodham who was initially arrested, not Epstein? (They look VERY similar.)

      Jon Rappoport wrote a fictional scenario about Mossad using a body double who was either comatose or with terminal illness…

      But then why would Epstein fly back to the U.S. within days of the court doc release?? Wouldn’t he want to lay low in the South of France unless he was in on it?

      Fun numbers: Epstein allegedly died two days after what would’ve been Tony’s 65th birthday, which happened to be 65 days after Tony’s “death”. Epstein and Rodham were a year apart in age…

      Smoke and mirrors, red herring, it’s certainly all here.

      • XAydMary on August 18, 2019 at 1:19 pm

        Rodham does indeed look very much like Epstein. This is probably far more common than we have suspected. Remember Officer Tippit / JFK?

  17. William Wright on August 17, 2019 at 5:41 pm

    It’s surprising that such techniques are still effective since the aristocracy of the world has been employing them for all of recorded history.
    I have to ask: are you a slave or a slave owner today, for if you answer neither, than regarding money, you will have little. This question is at the heart of the issue. Money is not the inert substance we are all taught to believe, it is a force, an energy with its own rules, and it has been well thought out and planned long ago.
    If humans continue to be seduced by the aristocracy myth that the pinnacle of life is to be a Windsor, or Rothschild, than we will destroy ourselves. Money loves revolutions, money loves turmoil, money says it loves peace, yet behind the scenes we have Epstein … the beat goes on.

    • Robert Barricklow on August 17, 2019 at 6:54 pm

      The narrative needs to change to real “economic” wealth:
      The Living Earth.

  18. brasyl on August 17, 2019 at 5:30 pm

    A big flag that has gone up for me is the release by the very most mainstreams of media who normally omit, mask, hide, lie… details about Epstein’s death… the screams heard, the change of guard, the cameras, the head of Epstein sticking out of the body bag. And I think… it looks like they WANT us to believe he was murdered. And I think… now why would they want us to think that? Gotta be an angle.

    And so I started speculating, if I was the Big Brain trying to move the world into a desired paradigm, and that paradigm is to make us doubt everything we know and every infrastructure that has been in place for a century, how would I do it?
    And you Mr. Farrell answered it… ” his case symbolizes a cultural and epistemological crisis that the country is in” …. in other words so much chaos… we implode on each other. Then comes the Big Brain who holds out his beneficent hand to help us out of the mess we are all in. And that’s the paradigm he has worked so hard for.

    Why do I constantly feel like we are being laughed at? Seems like no matter what we choose to be Epstein’s fate… we lose.

  19. Katie B on August 17, 2019 at 2:34 pm

    It seems obvious to me that the who dunnit is the royals. It would only take a few more lurid details about Prince Andrew to emerge and if they didnt appropriately punish him (which they would never do) then….A third of brits are for, a third against and a third indifferent to them. If it came out, the indifference would swing to against and they’d be finished, especially with Liz at the end of her reign.

    • Jarret on August 18, 2019 at 4:07 am

      Lol… the ‘royals’ did it? That’s almost as dumb as Alex Jones claiming the ChiComs did it.
      It’s apparent who is behind him, and his death…. and here is a hint:
      Most of their surnames end in ‘Baum, ‘Blatt, ‘Stein, ‘Berg, ‘Thal, ‘Man, ‘Sky, etc…

      • Katie B on August 18, 2019 at 7:52 am

        Oh of course, the Jews did it narrative. Change the broken record

        • Don B on August 18, 2019 at 10:48 am

          Amen Katie. It does get old. db

          • Katie B on August 19, 2019 at 2:48 am

            Thanks Don.

            It’s a shame you can’t offer speculation without someone castigating you for it or being accused of arguing. I think it’s suspect that new photos have emerged in the last day of Prince Andrew peeping out of Epstein’s door to greet an underaged girl and then the Queen releases a statement in solidarity for him – unheard of for her!

            Why are these things coming to light now? Did Epstein have some insurance?

    • zendogbreath on August 18, 2019 at 7:11 pm

      You all are arguing about which members of the consortium did what? As if they all didn’t do it?

      • Bryce on August 19, 2019 at 8:24 pm

        Sort of like the stabbing of a sacrificial infant.
        If they all plunged the knife in, none of them caused the death.

        • zendogbreath on August 19, 2019 at 11:55 pm

          Eyes wide shut.

          The Ryan Dawson interview brought forth a dialectic previously unconsidered. I think it’s got legs too. Epstein was Ehud Barak’s boy and vice versa. Not so much Bibi. Trump is Bibi’s boy. These two pairs contended with each other.

          I disagree with Dawson and think Epstein is probably alive somewhere being rewarded for his work and loyalty. The one point that keeps bringing me back to that is why would this not stupid guy come back from Paris? Why would the WGOE turn this into such a big circus for any other reason than to get us to focus on it?

          This is clearly another stage of and directly tied to MK Ultra and Gottlieb and Jolly West and Dr Green and Ewan Cameron and George White. One of Alex Jones’ clones is bringing that meme out now. Bill Clinton and all brought it a little public with some weak reform looking pr stunts.

          And now as I look through a few searches to get old names, I see there’s a movie due out Dec, 2019 called MK Ultra? A quick look at the plot makes it clear it’s a Disneyfication of the topic. A brilliant psyche is pushed to his ethical limits…………………

          Wow. Sounds like the scrubbing and desensitizing of a whole subject in the dark webs history.

          • Jarret on August 20, 2019 at 8:04 am

            I’m so glad you listened to the Dawson / Mike Enoch discussion.
            People want to bury their heads in the sand… no matter what the evidence says.

    • Katie B on August 22, 2019 at 4:39 am

      More evidence to come re Prince Andrew! Sounds like elite mafia intel wars to me.

  20. Robert Barricklow on August 17, 2019 at 12:07 pm

    I hear “they’re” going to significantly cut the allocated printing numbers of the intelligences’ Get-Out-OF-Jail cards.
    They were on course to a dime-a-dozen; Epstein has curtailed that/until the story’s legs are cut out from under.

    In fact, the absence of trust in narratives has been so convoluted; that mainstream has now virtually become:
    the conspiracy.

    Now the inmates of the asylum are considering every option, including removing the whole facade of self governance.

    I joked/no worries the FBI is on the case!

    White Rabbit,


    • Robert Barricklow on August 17, 2019 at 6:44 pm

      FBI’s respect was earned by the likes of Efrem Zimbalist JR. & other Hollywood movie & TV scripts. Years ago, non fiction books described the KGB as the USSR’s political police; it doesn’t take many grey cells, to realize the FBI is the USSA’s.

      The there’s Hess.
      Very appropriate, your prescient book
      as prelude to today’s events.

      Will the circle be unbroken,
      then as now?

  21. Connedincalifornia on August 17, 2019 at 12:03 pm

    Clarity, of a sort. As I’ve been looping round and round looking at this and that pile of ‘er’, information, I’ve been alternately taking deep breaths, putting two fingers to my forehead, stretching and walking Beau. Then, this. I hadn’t seen this parallel. It slices right through the muck. Time to reread Hess and the Penguins. I love that popping sound in my head as things click with my second reading of one of Joseph’s books.

  22. Jarret on August 17, 2019 at 8:51 am

    For excellent in-depth analysis and information into Epstein’s deep ties to Israeli intelligence and Jewish power structures:
    Let’s discuss after listening!

    • Robert Barricklow on August 17, 2019 at 11:44 am

      The guest is excellent; the host isn’t.

      • Jarret on August 17, 2019 at 5:53 pm

        What do you mean? They are both very, very knowledgeable.
        Did you listen to all of it? If so, do you have any thoughts?

        • Robert Barricklow on August 17, 2019 at 6:50 pm

          I must admit I listened for about 5 minutes; then skipped ahead a head to listen a various points in detail. The problem I had is that the host kept butting in. Let the guest speak at length; then make any points or counterpoints.

          That’s my personal take.

    • zendogbreath on August 18, 2019 at 7:07 pm

      Ryan Dawson sounds like an excellent interview. Slightly better access point.

      There has to be better access to Dawson’s info than this. 20 min into this 3.5 hr that I have to listen to at standard speed. Hmm. This is going to take some time.

  23. goshawks on August 17, 2019 at 6:49 am

    (The commentator was Tommi H, and expanded-upon by me: )

    There is a long podcast on all the personalities around Epstein:
    “Quoth the Raven #139 – Whitney Webb goes Deep: Blowing Open the Jeffrey Epstein Scandal”
    Ms Webb seems young, but very knowledgeable. She notes that one of the interesting aspects since the “suicide-Arkancide-substitution or whatever-it-was-that-happened last weekend” is the very lack of unity in the MSM story. When JFK was taken-out, the MSM-line was instantly in place. When 9-11 happened, the MSM-line was instantly in place. Etc. With Epstein’s ‘removal’, there is no common MSM-line. That in itself is striking…

    (And yes, the breakdown in trust in the establishment is reaching epic proportions. One has to wonder whether that is under-appreciated by the PTB, or is in some way being Problem->Reaction->Solution -ized by the PTB…)

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