BRAIN WAVES IN PETRI DISHES
Every now and then, an article is shared with me that I find so disturbing that I scarcely can muster the words to blog about it, much less to record my horrified reactions with anything like accuracy or depth. Such is the case today with this little "gem" that was shared by J.T. The only words adequate to at least a part of my reaction are "I'm so glad I'm not a scientist," because it seems as if they, as the rest of society, are going off the deep end in order to assure a nightmarish future.
What am I talking about? Scientists are growing brains in petri dishes, and have now recorded brain waves:
Brain waves detected in mini-brains grown in a dish
Now, if you don't find the basic idea disturbing enough, consider that the article - as most such articles in this genre usually do - gives us the "wonderful health benefits" angle potentially in store from growing pea-sized brains in petri dishes (without the rest of the creature, of course):
Looking forward, the team aims to further improve the organoids and use them to understand diseases associated with neural network malfunctioning, such as autism, epilepsy, and schizophrenia.
"As a scientist, I want to get closer and closer to the human brain," Muotri says. "I want to do that because I see the good in it. I can help people with neurological conditions by giving them better treatments and better quality of life. But it's up to us to decide where the limit is.
Well, I don't know about you, but I confess this statement of moral urgency I find a little flaccid and two-faced, because by all means let us press ahead with our research even though, deep down, we might be feeling ever-so-slightly the pangs of conscience. But regardless of your own reaction to this confession, there's more.
The brain cells which are apparently showing brain wave activity, were grown and "stimulated" in an unusual manner:
The pea-sized brains, called cerebral organoids, are derived from human pluripotent stem cells. By putting them in culture that mimics the environment of brain development, the stem cells differentiate into different types of brain cells and self-organize into a 3-D structure resembling the developing human brain.
Human stem cells, huh? Gee, I wonder where and how you acquired those? In fact, when one reads through the article, it becomes even more potentially nightmarish:
To compare the brain wave patterns of organoids with those of human brains early in development, the team trained a machine learning algorithm with brain waves recorded from 39 premature babies between six and nine-and-a-half months old. The algorithm was able to predict how many weeks the organoids have developed in culture, which suggests these organoids and human brain share a similar growth trajectory.
However, it's not likely these organoids have mental activities, such as consciousness, Muotri says. "The organoid is still a very rudimentary model—we don't have other brain parts and structures. So these brain waves might not have anything to do with activities in real brains."(Emphasis added)
So, in one sentence, we're told that algorithms were couple with the pea-sized brain cells, to "compare" how brain wave activity develops between these petri dish brains and those of actual babies, and in the very next sentence, we're told that these petri dish brain cells probably don't have any mental activities, "such as consciousness." Really? Having confessed your ignorance, how would you know? But by all means, let us press ahead, while we pretend to have some moral qualms about it. (And as for brain parts and consciousness, see Meet The Man Who Lives Normally With Damage to 90% of His Brain)
Now, thus far, I have to confess, my stomach was turning and quite queasy. But there's a final little indicator we have to deal with, before we get to today's high octane speculation:
Muotri and colleagues designed a better procedure to grow stem cells, including optimizing the culture medium formula. These adjustments allowed their organoids to become more mature than previous models. The team grew hundreds of organoids for 10 months and used multi-electrode arrays to monitor their neural activities.
So there you have it, and it's time to take an inventory to set the context for today's high octane speculation, or perhaps high octane nightmare might more appropriately describe it. We have (1) stem cells (where and how were they obtained?), (2) an algorithm to "compare" activity, and (3) a "better procedure" for growing stem cells and "optimizing" them in the brain research.
If you're smelling the foul odor of transhumanism wafting through, then join the club, because I am too. Why? Because I strongly suspect the real goal here is to learn how to "grow" entire brains, and to "grow" them in such a way that people will have a "better quality of life," which I'm increasingly inclined to view as scientism-speak for creating totally compliant, maleable, uncritically thinking zombies. Toss in the "algorithm" component, and one might be looking at the creation of "interfaces" between those brains-in-a-petri-dish, and the algorithm itself, which can be programmed to "guide" the development.
In short, we might be looking at the ultimate in mind manipulation research.
See you on the flip side...
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The author actually was invited to have a piece of him transformed into a rudimentary mini-brain.
In his prologue he says that science in these field are driven by stories. that our perceptions of what science means is shaped by narratives about it. these stories are not neutral vehicles for understanding.
Why this story, and not some other?
The author says the science becomes packaged from the get-go of the narrative. That it’s culture, past and present that shape the questions, the models developed and the narrative. That there is never just science.
I picked up his book. Does he practices what he preaches?
How To Grow A human by Philip Ball
from the land of videos watched today that pertain to posts we’ve seen this last week:
https://www.bit chute.com/video/yTI1PYvQWxI/?list=notifications
MUST WATCH! INFRARED CAMERA CAPTURES THE STRANGE IGNITION OF THE MASSIVE KINCADE CA FIRE
We need to watch this one through to the end. It’s getting harder and harder to hide the size and nature of these monsters. Logic Before Authority’s youtube channel has some videos of underground fires in the sewers too.
The American “Petri dish” – the melting pot of communism – is a five centuries papal plan, to produce blank slates, for a war machine.
Two centuries of European wars of religion was to traumatize the habitat, to force Europeans into escape overseas.
Jesuit assassins were participating agents, and instigating double agents, whose sleeper cells were activated into superstructures in 1776.
Theoretically, it is possible to grow a Runic brain outside the papal frying pan.
mmm, I don’t suppose they could create little brains mixed from different animals by any chance? Chimera/Splice/The Fly
If, going further, mixing with non animal life forms, might be a new take on the term “human vegetable”.
Combo The Fly and Gone With The Wind. Clara holds a carrot with a human head up, and says, I’ll never be starved of research funding again. Husband says to the ethics committees, frankly dears, I dont Give a damn.
Ethics is just guiding principle. Ethics doesn’t apply in natural state, governed by natural laws.
Those, whose world view is a Petri dish, are themselves in a Petri dish, becoming food for worms.
The global Petri dish – the imperial frying pan of the satanic papacy – is it flat or is it round?
What if all brain shells/cells have multiple levels of quantum entanglement much like electron energy shells/cells with different characteristics on each potential energy orbit. These petri dish grown cells may react and resonate on the quantum level/shell/cells of more basic levels of existence through out all of infinity. Thus they could be witnessing quantum entangle organization with in the petri due to the natural but entangle development elsewhere. What if energy is zero dimensional? Zero/infinity unlike 0/any number still equals infinity instead of nothing or zero which doesn’t exist. How many unicorns actually exist based on zero being an impossibility? An infinite where, however and when they can both in conscious imagining and physically on other worlds throughout the multiverse, timeline and distances also created/perceived by consciousness.
It may all be quantum entangled folks: time/dimensions/space/distances/energy states/conscious states/physical states may all exist everywhere simultaneously but perceived by us from very mediocre low levels of awareness until we gain enough energy in consciousness to move up to another level of perception and being. Alternative us’s exist on every other level of potential simultaneously and merge in and out of each other constantly without being aware of it because that is the true nature of things beyond dimensional representations.
That’s a very interesting take.
Hadn’t thought of that.
Loved it!
Thanks. Inspiration often hits me from the discussions on this site and others.
That’s a different viewpoint that deserves consideration. I’ve crossed over once and can report 1) your personality, “the you that’s you” continues to exist in the “other” dimension, and 2) you will enjoy new powers, like telepathy, ability to think it and be there, etc. Must be dimensional and as scientists say “non local energy”; outside our space/time.
When the Sci-Fi puddle jumpers in Cheyenne Mountain seek out the Runic aliens, Pi is the IQ-test. It is actually true, because Pi is the last Rune, and the Stargate itself.
The mathematical symbol for Pi resembles a gate, or a Trilithon. The universal principles are analogous, and the “gate of gates” is the center of galaxy, called the Black Sun.
Symbols are not mere signifiers, they are operators as well. What the mind dwells upon, it entangles. Since the mind operates by symbols, the brain can jump in hyperspace.
https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/s/bgsuow5w7ynrqvg/stargate.jpg
As a confirmed ignoramus of the sciences, this is scaring the beJezus out of me. The sheer magnitude of the arrogance of scientists! and their ignorance of what they would be letting loose boggles the mind.
I offer up Peter Watts “Starfish”. I won’t spoil it for any who find this little Sifi gem, but… “headcheese” and “checkers or chess”. Enjoy?
Reading all these comments made me think of three things:
1) The reports of bodies in tubes of liquid aboard UFO’s
2) Whistleblowers reporting that if one scrap of “alive” body can be rescued; another “body” can be created from it.(Fighting on Mars, no less!!)
I fear that our parallel civilizations have already crossed that line & that here on earth our “mainstream science” is only starting to catch up, as it were!!
Does anyone remember the story of some Japanese scientists that were killed by some robots they had made??? As they were pulling the robots apart, they realized the robots were obeying signals beamed from a satellite. Dr. Katherine Horton could testify as to signals being beamed from satellites as she is fighting, in court, some of the psychopaths who operate such things!
3) Linda M. Howe’s wondering if the Commerce of the Universe might be the trading in “souls”??? Perhaps that is why it might be necessary for each of us to recognize that we are an Eternal, Sovereign Being; because if we don’t, then we are open to being “traded”, used & manipulated???
In my lifetime I have encountered several people who have received transplanted organs. Once those tissues are transplanted into a new “host” they bring with them “memories, experiences and preferences” that were not part of the recipient’s own genetic and cellular “full body experience”. Granted these tissues’ “experience” matrix is very small–but therein lies the danger. In modern a modern sociological context transplanting these cells into a living human host’s brain would be like landing an airplane on an island whose population never saw an airplane or its technology. But, the difference here is in reverse. Can these new cells be assimilated? Possibly. But will these cells have a deleterious effect on the host? Another historical example? Operation Paperclip for the human mind. It didn’t bode well for every country who attempted it!
BTW: Before today, has anyone mentioned the movie “Pandorum” in any of our conversations like these? It’s relatively unknown, but this movie clearly deals with some of the issues related to these blogs. It’s worth a viewing for that reason alone.
OC, is this it?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p6m7OPP756w
Pandorum full movie in English (sci-fi,adventure,thriller)
This is ghastly. And human brain cells…
My first thought is along Morphogenetic Field lines. What is this doing to human brains down on that level? Remember, Sheldrake showed that the first of anything is very hard to accomplish. You are creating a new ‘field’. However, it gets exponentially easier with each repeat, as the “habit pattern” gets ingrained. This is brain structure that they are playing-with. Really bad…
Also, I could see this as an obscene form of memory storage or ‘calculator’. Find a way to impress what you want on these unorganized brains. Then, find a way to interface them with standard brains. You could end up with an organic form of Morpheus’ learning modules…
Interesting indeed; it points out also to the hypothesis that consciousness does not reside in the brain itself, which acts rather like a “radio receptor”.
This experience might be the smoking gun for something that I long suspected: consciousness manifests through neguentropic processes and its source is not in our space-time.
Again, according to Russell Targ, we exist as “non-local energy”. We’re from outside this space/time and enter it through the animal we penetrate. Sorta like a parasite.
So if we’re doing that in this space/time what else is each of us doing? How many “incarnations” can we achieve simultaneously? Perhaps dreams are a glimpse of what else is going on!
The potential is enough to blow one’s mind!
yep. external hard drives came to mind immediately. gets military leadership past conscience issues immediately. that’s a religious sounding code word for PTSD. Also known as operatives who hesitate.
Without the size limitations of a skull and bio organic imputs one wonders whether this ‘brain’ could be hooked up to the cyber world and become the oracle (beast) for mankind……
I wonder what will Mother Nature’s push-back look like?
Cannibals end up eating themselves, because they are each other’s food supply. In the attempt to avoid being eaten, while eating, they must hunt, while being hunted.
That is the paranoia in the camp of thieves, where everybody suspects everybody. Cannibals have a fundamental trust issue, and the gullibles are always first on the menu.
Cannibals seek out high trust societies, because they are good hunting grounds. Using distinguished institutions as camouflage, is just the cannibal blending in.
The Bronze Age narrative is about surviving onslaught, from the beast in the field. There is no political survival, because politics is social cannibalism of Baal, opening the door for the beast.
As long as Jesuit spooks are worshiped as founding fathers, the constituted document is just a recipe for a slow cooked dinner. The alternative is to elect a king, who is pendragon.
The reason, why there is only ONE captain on a ship, is because there no time for theoretical discussions, when decisive actions are needed in dire straits. Politicians can debate with the fishes.
One doesn’t need a Saul, who can’t stay on target. One doesn’t need a David on a jealousy trip. One doesn’t need a Solomon in his greedy henhouse. That is why the Runes are criterion, when electing Druidic kings.
Loved It!
… “Cannibals have a fundamental trust issue,
and the gullibles are always first on the menu.”
to heck with like buttons. LOVE button.
The movie Pandorum comes to mind…
This looks like an idea the creator of Fullmetal Alchemist manga could dive into. The scenario could be used by the anime creators of the anime series reboot. O I FORGOT it was used the homoecious beings like envy, lust, sloth.
The creator of the manga Fullmetal Alchemist dealt with this idea though I am only familiar with the two anime series it inspired. The creatures created by the State Alchemists were referred to as a homunculus used to do the dirty work of the government. THERE are many science fiction and fantasy stories revolving around this idea.
This is a monstrosity. I have no more words on this right now as my stomach is busy turning that impacts my ability to think any further.
Ever play with a sound generator? Pipe organs included. The photo pattern is similar to what one might achieve with cymatic experiments using sound generators, taut flattened membranes colored black, salt or sugar powder, and time to play.
A rather unusual means to experiment with bio matter, but not surprising. That wave pattern depicted on the photo seems symmetrical, but one can notice aberrancies, not that one has seen any visually you understand, from a different frame of reference. Electro-encephalograms (EEG’s) are not very photogenic. Neither, are Electro-cardiograms (ECG’s, formerly EKG’s), unless hooked up to one of those generating machines and attached membranes and / or graphics displays.
Sound generators can produce very unique and unusual patterns on a flattened membrane if set up to do so. Such a web site tone / sound generator exists for experimentation. . . . . WARNING! if you have pets roaming the dwellings when you first start, they will be affected and so will the experimenter. One would suggest turning down your speaker volumes to 15-20%, or so, with the onsite volume control to start and go from there. Site:: :
[ https://www.szynalski.com/tone-generator/ ]
You’ll notice some rather unusual effects straight off as well as get a handle on how your room is acoustically set for sound vibrations and bounce. Would advise not starting to loud with your PC speakers and stereo speakers. Set them low before pressing the play button.
For the adventurous with hand-held phones you’re likely to cause a stirring of sorts if not down right annoyance to near by folks in ear shot. As for those scientists, . . Well, . . . one might observe them with some caution as well as look for, what’s the word, . . laboratory prone indelicacy (downright deviant mindedness when they’re not watching the watchers).
As for any users here you’re likely to initiate a level of speculation in the use of frequency in both sound as well as light from various monitoring devices, TV’s, and bulbs in use. They’re all part of the greater frequency spectrum of sensory perception and environment.
You needn’t take my word for it. BUT, proceed with caution, won’t you? Expect effects. The site (so long as it lasts) offers a physics sound generating lab on your desktop. With your own savings and funding the user can get very creative while learning how much sound has already affected them.
Wow, Richard, the thinks you think (and write). Thank you. You were right. All three dogs took notice of that.
And yeh Doc. The first think I did was take that tone down from 440 to 370 back up and onto 432. Is anyone here going to tell me they do not feel better on whole number tones like 432 A instead of 440 A?
Know what you mean, Zendo, about unknown sites and useful cautions taken. .
. . . . .One wondered about the ambient frequency conditions of light, sound, and microwave / radio waves that that experiment itself might have been inadvertently subject to and that of the experimental laboratory in general. The photo could be very revealing on how observer / experimenter effects of an experiment, in turn, affect an experiment’s outcome without first knowing that experimental conditions are contributing to its results.
Also, I’m always a little shy to use such sites. Feels like it’s easy enough to adulterate a site like that as it is to adulterate oh lets say the internationally agreed upon “standard pitch” without anyone really getting on to it before it’s late in the game and just too much to bother with.
Kinda like driving gasoline powered cars instead of alcohol powered cars?
Depending on one’s PC, hardware, speakers sets, and browser you can open several separate browser pages on the same site, setting each open page to a different note within a musical chord, and ‘tone’ chords’ as if on a guitar or piano, at the same time. Even create secondary resonance vibrations from an initial set of preset tones.
10Hz to 10,050 Hz seems to be my audible range if this is accurate. Have you tried holding the frequency volume from 1 to max continuously? Interesting affects to emotions on some, breathing and heart on others.
Curious to see useful research that guides and helps us to better results for ourselves as we learn and experiment .
Even Frankenstein is aghast!
No amount of nanocoated witches-brewed, broomstick lipstick on mini-brained human-guinea-pigs, will make these petri dished brain waves fly; irregardless of how Orwellian sophisticated its sugar-coated health benefits presentation becomes.
“Stimulated in an unusual[unnatural] manner”!
[LOL!]
“… because I see the good”.
[give me a barf bag]
“But it’s up to us to see where the limit[s] is[are]”
[Frankenstein Unbound]
… and yet it gets worse.
Enter the [Dragon] algorithm machine trained scientists.
Yes.
High octane nightmare.
Therein is where the nightmare goes beyond terror. Where the algorithm bleeds into the growing brains and does its dark magic to replace the common surface and conduct/direct the symphony/masterpiece of growth/progress.
Sinister shades of an ….
interdimensional-digitized dark-magick brewing…
Dr. Farrell, I believe you provided the answer to your 1st contextual question, “We have (1) stem cells (where and how were they obtained?)” in your Aug. 1 post, WILL THE MOVIE “SPLICE” BECOME A REALITY IN JAPAN? “Induced pluripotent stem cells are a type of pluripotent stem cell that can be generated directly from adult cells. The iPSC technology was pioneered by Shinya Yamanaka’s lab in Kyoto, Japan, who showed in 2006 that the introduction of four specific genes encoding transcription factors could convert adult cells into pluripotent stem cells. He was awarded the 2012 Nobel Prize along with Sir John Gurdon “for the discovery that mature cells can be reprogrammed to become pluripotent.”” (Wikipedia) For a highly informed discussion on this within our medically controlled Plutocracy, Dr. Theresa Deisher, Ph.D discusses with Del Bigtree, Big Pharma’s keeping the “primitive” embryonic (they grow out of control and produce tumors) lineage alive merely due to their being able to be patented. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LCnrW3VF0pc&list=PLNL4fwOixbXh8SlVeysHiV2Sgqs6QIczP&index=5 In short, embryonic stem cells = $$$$$ to scientists. Despite that, wouldn’t our science be considered inferior were it to use this “primitive” cell form for the “real” experiments, perhaps quietly going on without the moneyed fanfare? After all, there is a Nobel (granted, lauded in controlled circles) that’s floating around here as well.
Again referencing the Aug, 1 post, here we are again with the Japanese in the forefront of this kind of “cutting edge”, medical science. Can’t help but think of this highly-motivated, rather closed culture, that hasn’t been wasting its $ on military toys, is positioning itself to be the Maestro of this scary, future picture.
Nice finds EU.
I repeat: when do I get my dental stemcell implants? AKA my own teeth?
They could one day start pumping out all kinds of Alphas, Betas, Deltas, Gammas, and Epsilons.
HOS isnt HOS anymore Dr F. In fact, you’re going in the right direction, I think it was you who taught me how to look for patterns in technology trees when you wrote about the German A bombs.
How do you get to point Z and which technologies need to mastered in order to get there… Goal? Growing proper sized brains to assure continuity and immortality?
From 2015..
https://www.sciencealert.com/a-new-start-up-wants-to-transfer-your-consciousness-to-an-artificial-body-so-you-can-live-forever
But what needs to be transferred? How does conciousness work??
From 2013..
http://newsroom.ucla.edu/releases/ucla-psychologists-report-new-248299
Whos been dropping like flies since 2015… Rockefellers and Rothschilds?
Also.. It would solve intersteller travel problems as far as maintaining a living population onboard the spaceship. Just load up DNA and memories to be transferred and have the clone grown 18 years from target and downloaded with a fully educated colonist/farmer/spaceman/engineer/genetic moleculist.. in short.. EN.KI
However it will ensure tyrannical despotism from the ruling elite who are now essentially immortal.
Sometimes I think that some things seem too far out there to be feasible.. then I start searching.. https://www.express.co.uk/news/science/680113/Will-humans-be-cloned-in-space-NASA-wants-to-grow-body-parts-on-Mars
What do you believe will happen when these ghoulish monstrosities suffer insanity?
When this was first reported (a few months ago) I mentioned this to my husband, we were both VERY concerned that this “technology” could be used to implant “tiny brains” inside of drones, weapons, rockets, and even other machines.
My husband wondered “and what happens when say a weapon with such a brain manages enough ‘conciouness’ to decide it doesn’t want to follow the human programing it has been assigned and decides to do it own thing.”
Then it’ll go on a murder spree until it runs out of juice ammo or get a kill switch signal from a remote automatic NON sentient machine as soon as the military guys watching the drones video feed realises that its headed for the Whitehouse.. I dunno.. Skynet is Bill Gates baby.. Terminator is being built by Boston Dynamics.. so.. unless Softnet (owned by MBS) wants Hunter Killers rather than female AIs (that are treated better by Arab men than actual women…) and japanese animated Waifus…
If memory serves, Clive Baxter, the author of The Secret Life of Plants was able to demonstrate brain waves from a bowl of jello. Or perhaps he only reported it.
Hi Doc,
What strikes me is what they’re NOT saying/saying. Are they “not admitting/admitting” to the utter failure of the idea of “downloading” consciousness directly to chip? I think Clif H. and others have mentioned how so called “conscience AI” is impossible, and that any kind of human type consciousness needs a meat bag and endocrine system as the receiver of the higher non-coperal conscience self. ( funny, as it’s the same reason the hybrid AI/meat bags will revolt)
By creating a fully controllable “artificial meat-bag endocrine-system” it seems they’re admitting that somehow trapping a soul, a life-force, into occupying dead hardware is impossible. Looks like the elites have realized that the best future slave is an engineered electro-bio-mechanical computerized meat-bag soul trap.
Sounds like fun.
The cannibals are playing with their food.
They run after each other, to eat each other.
Frankenstein’s necrophilic gravediggers!