When I read this article sent in by H.A.H., it sent my mind spinning in so many directions, most of which I or others have discussed on this website, and also from time to time in the members' vidchats. It's one of those physics stories that, at first reading, seems rather bland, dull, and only the stuff that nerdy theoreticians would get excited about. I'm tempted to tell you up front what has my mind so exercised by recounting a bit of context, but that recounting of context would give it all away, so instead of my normal procedure, I'm going to let the reader dive right in and see if he sees the same implications that I do:
Now that you've read the article, here's what caught my attention:
Entangled states are famously fragile: in most cases even a tiny disturbance will undo the entanglement. For this reason, current quantum technologies take great pains to isolate the microscopic systems they work with, and typically operate at temperatures close to absolute zero. The ICFO team, in contrast, heated a collection of atoms to 450 Kelvin, millions of times hotter than most atoms used for quantum technology. Moreover, the individual atoms were anything but isolated; they collided with each other every few microseconds, and each collision set their electrons spinning in random directions.
The researchers used a laser to monitor the magnetization of this hot, chaotic gas. The magnetization is caused by the spinning electrons in the atoms, and provides a way to study the effect of the collisions and to detect entanglement. What the researchers observed was an enormous number of entangled atoms — about 100 times more than ever before observed. They also saw that the entanglement is non-local — it involves atoms that are not close to each other. Between any two entangled atoms there are thousands of other atoms, many of which are entangled with still other atoms, in a giant, hot and messy entangled state.
What they also saw, as Jia Kong, first author of the study, recalls, “is that if we stop the measurement, the entanglement remains for about 1 millisecond, which means that 1000 times per second a new batch of 15 trillion atoms is being entangled. And you must think that 1 ms is a very long time for the atoms, long enough for about fifty random collisions to occur. This clearly shows that the entanglement is not destroyed by these random events. This is maybe the most surprising result of the work.”
The observation of this hot and messy entangled state paves the way for ultra-sensitive magnetic field detection. For example, in magnetoencephalography (magnetic brain imaging), a new generation of sensors uses these same hot, high-density atomic gases to detect the magnetic fields produced by brain activity. The new results show that entanglement can improve the sensitivity of this technique, which has applications in fundamental brain science and neurosurgery.
So what has me all exercised? Well, let's start at the beginning. Entanglement itself, and non-locality, are usually considered to be affairs that only occur at the quantum level, i.e., at the level of the sub-atomic particle. Many people, including myself, have often wondered if the various weird "special effects" of quantum mechanics - uncertainty and the "observer effect", non-locality, and entanglement - could occur at much larger scales. We've often discussed these types of questions in our vidchats and pondered what the implications might be if any were the case. Experiments have been done in recent years suggesting that all of these things can be manifested at the macro-cosmic, super-quantum level in addition to the microcosmic world of quantum mechanics.
But now we're being told that literally billions of atoms can exist in an entangled state with each other in a hot gas (450 Kelvin is about 350 degrees Fahrenheit, or 177 degrees Celsius). Think of this gas as composed of many sets of atoms, say, sets a,b,c,... x, y, z and so on, where sets a and b are entangled with sets y and z, and c and d are entangled with sets w and x, and so on, with all these differently entangled sets bouncing around and commingling with each other in the hot gas. By the nature of the case, we're already well outside the range of the sub-atomic particle and well outside the range of the microcosmic, and not only dealing with billions of atoms, but moreover, atoms organized into systems of entanglement, or (dare I say it?) partial entanglement or analogy.
Or to put it country simple: entanglement is 'macrocosmic".
Now when I was reading all this, and especially the connection to using entanglements of this type to magnetic imaging of the brain, I couldn't help but think that perhaps there are much deeper connections. Already we've seen articles a few years ago from neuroscientists indicating that the mathematics required to map the human brain's activity adequately would have to be in a minimum of eleven dimensions. In other words, the brain - the three dimensional biophysical object, is one thing, but the mind, with all of its eleven or so dimensions, is not equivalent to it. (That poses an interesting question for dimensional analysis: between the eleven of the mind and the three of the brain, where are the other eight, and what are they doing? Is that "other eight" part of the coupling mechanism of the two? But I digress... you see? This is the type of thought that kept occurring as I pondered this article!)
So what does hot gas have to do with the mind? Well, as you can tell, I'm already well out onto the twig of high octane speculation, but here's where it becomes even more intriguing. The article seems to imply that the hot gas of the experiment was showing precisely such "partially entangled" or analogous systems. Those who know me know I am fascinated by analogies and their fundamental foundational role to human intelligence and thought. Here, we have a suggestion that a hot gas is exhibiting similar features both of coherence and incoherence. And that made me think of the famous quantum and plasma physicist David Bohm. Granted, a mere 450 degrees Kelvin is a long way from the temperatures one typically thinks of when one thinks of plasmas. Then again, think of atmospheric ionization during very powerful thunderstorms or tornadoes. Bohm, it might be recalled, suddenly stepped away from his plasma experiments when he concluded that they seemed to exhibit many of the features not only of life, but of intelligence... (Q.v. https://futurism.com/david-bohm-and-the-holographic-universe)
...and with that, we're chin to chin with group observers and group intention... think Dr. William Tiller...
See you on the flip side...
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Interesting concept that EVERYTHING, in how ever many universes there are, is simply a different form of “consciousness” & all interconnected at some level.
So….if we are presently living in Someone Else’s Big Video Game….that means we could ‘create’ & play with our own Video Game, right?!
I would highly suggest CYRUS A. PARSA’S book, “Artificial Intelligence Dangers to Humanity”. Why would we want to ‘create’ something that could take US over???
It seems our technological know-how has outstripped our moral development!! Cyrus website is: TheA.I.Organization.com
I hesitated to put my toe into this pool due to being overly self conscious about my writing which isn’t at the level of the posters here, but am diving in sensing that there will not likely be any ripple. after, as instructed, I read the article, and my head stopped swimming in a whirlpool of unknowing, I anchored myself in my self, a comfortable illusion. I let my mind wander and washed ashore, grounded by the words of 2 poets. “No man is an island entire of itself; every man is a piece of the continent, a part of the main” John Donne, and, “Your task is not to seek for love, but merely to seek and find all the barriers within yourself that you have built against it.” Rumi. so, when spinning atoms of mischief steer me to the rocky shores of materialistic comparisons, I remind myself I am neither winning or losing but blending. interconnected.
We’re not only at the intersection of several long-wave cycles (viz. the Charles Hugh Smith article), but at the intersection of several major, long-term astronomical/astrological cycles. Whether the general public takes astrology seriously or not doesn’t really matter–you can bet the elites do. Think Babylon’s Banksters and using macrocosmic cycles to facilitate or aggravate economic in the microcosmic human world.
I think we’re nearing a real crossroads in human history. My hope is that enough of humanity will muster enough good intention to counter, on some dimensional plane or other, the ectoplasmic storm of evil gathering on the horizon!
Also got me thinking of these lads.
What are the temperatures these guys are reaching making their laboratory scaled down sun?
zendogbreath a fission reactor is and has always been a dirty bomb in plain sight. Like the rockets it’s expensive and dangerous. But from birth this society has been a swindlers paradise.
Doc, this is analogous to your other post today.
These two are too related (entangled) ideas to not notice.
It’s like the covid politicians can’t get citizens to die fast enough to avoid their own political suicides. Found out today that Gov Pritzker (yes, I think Penny’s bro) was having dinner in Wisconsin last night. At a restaurant with no cv measures taken. After he scoffed at what jerks any Illinoisans are for setting up bar hopping in Wisconsin last week. After he scoffed at reporters for questions about his family the week before. He sent his wife and kids to Florida after telling all Illinois to give up travel.
And then I saw this today.
Obama-Appointed CDC Chair Doctor “We’ll just get rid of all the White Americans”
Well, we have done our true masters’ dirty work and they want to move their long-run overseers in to manage the thrall planet. And we pale faces are not fit to run it we good at torture and killing but we don’t seem to know when to control the killing.
There is a novel by Stanlistov Lem that was adapted to two films a Russian and American versions. I have seen both films but have not read the original novel. It delt with the idea of a conscience planet and I read a comic-book story in the late 1950s-60s that dealt with the same idea. The novel is titled Solaris. But this idea is part of the cosmology of so-called primitive people.
Solaris plasma giant is seeking attention, bombarding one’s retina.
Solaris stray bullets echo through the universe.
Stargazers’ heaven is plastered with gemstones.
I’m going to step out on a limb here too. In the last part of the article, Joseph, you said,
“Bohm, it might be recalled, suddenly stepped away from his plasma experiments when he concluded that they seemed to exhibit many of the features not only of life, but of intelligence… ”
Is the “they” that Bohm is talking about the “thunderstorms & tornado’s?” Is he implying that they are alive? In other words, is nature itself alive & intelligent?
I don’t know, just a thought. Kind of reminds me of the Silmarillion, by J.R.R. Tolkien, the very first part of the book concerning the creation of all things.
I grew up in Houston, Texas & as kids we would go to Galveston to the beach & off in the gulf of Mexico, many miles away, you could see a thunderstorm going on. In the clouds, was, I think, what they called “ball lighting”, & it would flash back and forth between the clouds, & as kids, we thought it was some kind of war going on in the clouds.
J.B., I had a similar experience near Seattle, long ago. We were heavily fogged-in, and there was a lot of (presumably) cloud-to-cloud lightning in the area. No sound, just rippling, diffused (bright) light heading in one direction or another. The overall effect was almost scary, like a ‘war of the worlds’ going-on just over our heads…
Tesla said he knew the lightning bolts and even had their names.
“In other words, is nature itself alive & intelligent?”
A very good question, except that we lack a good definition for both terms.
And as I cannot help, I’ll add a third term, which is consciousness, that might have nothing to do with the fact of being (biologically) alive or intelligent.
A French astrophysicist, François Roddier, made a rather bold hypothesis: according to him, life is nothing more than a thermodynamic process opposing entropy, not fundamentally different from the structure existing in a star; accordingly (and this is my own interpretation), consciousness is the form of “energy” opposing entropy, existing at different degrees in any physical system that maintains its properties in time and space; an information loop that provides a “self-awareness” of the system about it’s own physical properties. The more complex the system, the more feedback loops available, leading to meta-structures, higher forms of representation and eventually self-consciousness as we know it.
If such interpretation has any validity, it definitely makes sense to suppose that “intelligent behavior emerges” in high structured plasma. Personally, I don’t have any doubt about the reality of the phenomenon, I’m just not sure about its ontological description.
Traditional cosmologies have classified intelligences or “spirits” connected with earth, fire water and air; the ones in the air are called sylphs in the western tradition.
Brings to mind my theory of entangled scales of consciousness. At some near infinitely small level there are other Universes in the sup-atomic particles of the atoms of our neuronetwork inside our minds. Imagine the same frequency being broadcast but at nearly infinite different amps inside one another. Our instruments of measurements can only detect the range of scale they exist at. Now take into consideration that our entire physical Universe is inside the minds of other beings at nearly infinite larger scales of being relative to ours. Now imagine entanglement happening between all these scales. Imagine every Universe is part of nearly infinite different beings consciousnesses and some parts of a great many are entangled in many strange ways and at many scales. Imagine nothing exists outside of consciousness and conscious entanglement is what orders every universe. Imagine actually existing on many scales of being at once and actually doing every conceivable thing possible eventually on one scale or another. Now imagine gaining knowledge and power to use will to change scale and position of perception of your particular ego in the grand scheme of infinite entangled and connected potentials.
I don’t have to imagine it… there’s an old doctrine called Communio sanctorum…
God has an infinite mansion with infinite rooms which themselves are infinitely big. One room is Jesus’s Kingdom but the others are not empty. God is too vast to be completely knowable by any one person but to whom who seeks to know more with all their heart and soul more knowledge is sometimes given. But still not all can be known even then from this world but perhaps all will be revealed in the next.
Yep, we are they, don’t have a church per say, or a preacher, but we have a sound intelligent organist! Cool…vibration, consciousness and words are the foundation of the universe. No footnotes required.
Micro vs macro is endemic in systems/refection/mirrors of each other. A herd mentality can take over weak individual thought processes.Strong independent thinkers will stand outside the crown in thought[usually hidden, as so far there is no chipped telepathy].
Life does have, as does the living universe a strong inherent Force to organize. It’s a given, in mathematical terms. Therefor in the observer effect/affect/spirit the group thought processes are forming a thought/quantum/observer power wave/curve[thought(s)].
As an aside, I think this[the metaphor’s’ inherent “power”] more “dangerous” than nuclear weapons; in relationship to “our” cousins tantamount concerns of using/abusing power.
For it’s also “there” that the living spirit[Holy?} dwells; and putting “that” on a lab bench[metaphor], stinks to high heaven[if possible?].
There’s also cooling close to zero Kelvin, to get results?
Anticipating after magnetism; torsion/rotation. Then also, both rotation/counter-rotation at same time w/in same matrix. Why, the possibilities are only limited by.. ?
Jesus! Are “they’re” attempting to play God in an organized criminal manner?
-now to “your’ analysis…
Ah. I was thinking of the so-called “higher” dimensions also[I guess “they” use higher, for lack of a better word].
Really, what “they” think they’re doing is sophisticated. Brute force in their minds is as delicate and intricate thought as putting the cart before the horse. Naked Apes playing God; each vying for the crown to their ultimate objective: CONTROL!
Yes, it’s about control.[it being inhuman]
This metaphor; however, is about living
With “it” in our midst; the group/individual can not simply enjoy living; as “they” want to take control and put that holy living spirit of our gifted universe on the laboratory bench to quench it’s lust for power/control.
…and dare as say/ Nail it[?] to the cross.
For, to “them”, the living spirit is an “it”
[a mirror of themselves/
for… they simply cannot “live” in spirit].
Only in virtual spirit. Not even close!
If it’s[?] in their power, they’ll make it[?] so.
“They” got the “spirit” in their digital crosshairs.
Now, they’re putting ‘her’ on the laboratory bench.
Is “their” goal; ultimately?
To replace the holy spirit?
W/in their “own” digital realm[s]?
Zoos…and the attraction to seeing caged animals…then the creation of landscaped “natural habitats” in their cages….Earth as a cage…simulated environments CGI…anything you can imagine.
Found this talk from David Bohm on perception,
Very perceptive clip.
he gets down to the essence of perception/thinking/analyses.
Thanks for the link.
In other words, the property of providing avenue[s] where human value[s] enter/are in the formation of psycho-physical reality, making our live[s] truly meaningful.
I was intrigued by the last sentence in the cited article:
” The experiment shows, surprisingly, that this kind of disturbance does not break the entangled states, it merely passes the entanglement from one atom to another.”
In the highly-speculative realm, this could be the ‘root cause’ of many ESP-ish traits like telepathy or (true) empathy. Consciousness provides the intent, and “passing the entanglement” provides the mechanism.
(In a cold-blooded Cold War experiment, Soviet researchers separated a mother rabbit and her new offspring. They took the babies to a submarine, submerged it, and then killed one offspring at a time. The mother rabbit showed spikes in various measurements at the exact time of the killings. “Passing the entanglement?”)
Another twist concerning the “group observers and group intention” aspect:
“Let’s consider the four overlapping/aligning cycles depicted on this chart… human history manifests cycles of social disintegration and integration in which the impulse to cooperate in large social structures waxes and wanes… A Covid-19 vaccine, or lack thereof, will have zero effect in terms of reversing these cycles. Call it Fate, call it karma, call it what you will, but the cycles have aligned and nothing can stop the unraveling of all that was foolishly presumed to be permanent.”
“Jumping in” with allegedly unbeatable manipulation measures in the timeframes that cyclical calculation show to be propitious, is a game that several players can engage in. Besides requiring two very rare ingredients: wisdom and humility.
Tidbit: I actually met Sir John Glubb as a student years ago!
Dana: “… is a game that several players can engage in.”
Hmm. That would explain a lot. Thanks. Several people have noted that we (humanity) seem to be at a Nexus Point, however phrased. That is also an instability area, where small inputs can lead to large changes in the output. I can see where several different self-styled ‘small gods’ would want to tweak the future to their specifications. Quite a tornado a’building…
(If time travelers, aliens, and higher beings also have a ‘say’ in the matter, it gets even more interesting…)
You’re on to something, methinks, goshawks…
In the last days of the communist regime within a Soviet satellite country, a very close relative died in a terrible car “accident”; at that very moment, her twin sister, in a different country, fell on the street and started rolling, shouting “I’m burning”.
Not a funny story, but a true story, interesting in the perspective we’re discussing here. This was my (unfortunate) first proof of macroscopic entanglement.