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WILL THE REAL ADOLF HITLER PLEASE DIE? AN UPDATE

The story of the survival of Nazis after the war in Latin America - some of them very high ranking - is a story that just does not seem to want to go away:

Hitler In Argentina

Now the South American journalist Abel Basti has joined the ranks of those - this author included - who have been researching the vast Nazi compound and postwar influence in the Argentine province of Rio Negro. Basti has now authored a trilogy covering the story, a story that first began to be noticed and reviewed in the old magazine The Police Gazette. Indeed, I have recently come into the possession of even more information concerning the Nazi-goings on and secret research being done in that province near - you guessed it - San Carlos di Bariloche, headquarters of the "fusion" project of Dr. Ronald Richter after the war.

Basti's website - linked above - does provide a bit of a clue in the form of a document that can be linked from his website.  The document is translated as follows:

“Hitler´s special journey to Barcelona"

The Führer and his companions leave Hörching airport on 26.04.1945 at 20:00

The Führer´s companions are as follows:

The Führer

Dr Goebbels (his name is crossed out in the original)
Mrs Goebbels and her sons (6) (also crossed out)
Reichsleiter Bormann*
SS Gruppenführer Mueller*
SS Gruppenführer Fegelein
General der Infanterie Burgdorf
Botschafter zbV Hewel*
SS Oberstubf. Betz
SS Stubf. Dr Stumpfegger (with a question mark in the original)*
SS Hauptstuf. Gross
Frl. Braun*
Frl. Manzialy
4 men from the Security Unit Command

The handover of the luggage (of the distinguished persons named above) will take place from 16:00 onwards at the Hörching airport entrance.”

Beyond a few minor translational problems, the document does present some historical ones, and rather egregious ones at that. The names of the Goebbels family have been crossed out, suggesting that the document, if authentic, was prepared prior to the Goebbels' suicides. Beyond this, Gruppenfuehrer Fegelein, according to the Nazi witnesses whose story still forms the "official" version of the final events in the bunker, was executed under orders from Hitler, and yet his name is not crossed off the list.

Yet suggestively enough, Bormann's name appears along with Gestapo chief Heinrich Mueller, both of whom, as I have argued in The Nazi International, very likely made it out of Nazi Germany via airplane and the the voyage of the U-234, whose log book is missing 12 whole days prior to its equally suspicious surrender to the American Navy. But as I also noted in that examination, there is some slight evidence to suggest that Bormann had Eva Braun "dispatched," to have one less person - and from Bormann's warped point of view, one less needless person - to have to spirit out of Nazi Germany before the final collapse.

The document itself raises my "suspicion antennae," for why would a documentary trail of a planned escape even be created when so much of the rest of the trail is so thoroughly and carefully obfuscated? Why take the chance that such a plot would be discovered and undone by creating a document? But assuming the document to be genuine for the sake of argument, it does suggest what other evidence presented by myself and others,  clearly corroborates, namely, that there was indeed an attempt to ferry out the most prominent Nazi leaders - Hitler included - at the end of the war. The official story of the final moments, that story created by Trevor-Roper at the behest of British intelligence, and on the basis of the testimony of the Nazis themselves, was never accepted by the Argentine locals of Rio Negro province, who maintain, to this day, and over all opposition, that the high Nazi leadership did indeed live in their country for a number of years after the war. And as far as the document itself goes, if genuine, then perhaps it was intended as further obfuscation, for it indicates an escape from Germany by air to Nationalist Spain, a hazardous undertaking to say the least, since any available route from Berlin to that country would have flown through air space thoroughly under Allied control. On the face of it then, the escape plan itself - even if the document is genuine - is ludicrous.

The problem simply won't go away, and only appears to be growing with each year's distance from the end of the war, as more and more details slowly are coming out. But the problem may be boiled down to a simple question: Suppose there were life insurance policies on Adolf Hitler and Martin Bormman through Prudential Insurance Company in 1945. Is the evidence for suicide in Hitler's case strong enough for the Prudential  to avoid paying a policy on him to his estate? And by the same token, in Bormann's case, are the various versions of his death also strong enough to compel the Prudential to pay on his policy?

You decide...

18 thoughts on “WILL THE REAL ADOLF HITLER PLEASE DIE? AN UPDATE”

    1. Haha Matt I just got my copy of ratlines too, have been looking forward to it for months. Enjoy mate. Levenda is awesome.

      1. Ohh I will. I just have to finish ‘Black Genesis’ by Bauval and Brophy (as well as all this stinking marking ggggrrrr).

        The indonesian connection will be interesting!

        1. I saw that when I was glancing through it, I still have to finish ‘Genesis of the Grail Kings’ by Laurence Gardner before tackling that. The Indonesian connection will indeed be interesting. I wonder if Barry Soetoro sat at old Adolf’s knee as a child and learned the tricks of the trade haha.

          1. lol. First glance appears to be far more detailed than Grey Wolf-I expect that from Levenda. Yes Lawrence Gardener is a very interesting one indeed. I haven’t read his book, my brother has though and he has been following up his ‘sources’. A very interesting line of data!!

          2. G’day Matt, I have just finished Ratline and all I can say is ‘wow’, Levenda makes an excellent case for this theory, I think you will love it.

            I haven’t read ‘Black Genesis’ as yet and am just wondering what you think of it. I only ask because I was pretty disappointed with ‘The Master Game’ and am now a bit ‘iffy’ with regard to Bauval and Hancock’s research methods. They managed to get every Roman/Byzantine Emperor’s name and/or reigns completely wrong and misidentified patriarch Cosmas I as the emperor Cosmas I. They also came up with the ridiculous statement that Gaius Julius Caesar was the ‘first divine emperor’ , that he was also Pharaoh of Egypt, and that he was the founder of the republic. I don’t which of them made these mistakes but one. or both, seriously need to revise their Roman History.

            As for Gardner, I am enjoying his work profusely, I have five of his works that I am reading now. Early Christian History does intrigue me, surprising for an atheist, ever since I read ‘Holy Blood, Holy Grail’ about twenty years ago. I like a historical mystery and I am intrigued to find out what was really going on in the setting up of that religion. I am working on a series of questions for the good doctor for a future vidchat, but I need to do more research before doing so.

            I don’t know if you remember but under ‘Where’s the outrage?’ I asked Dr Farrell about Constantine I religious beliefs, Christianity or Sol Invictus, and about the curious inscriptions made to ‘the Diety’ . Dr Farrell replied with ‘Briefly stated, there is a deep connection, in my opinion, between the sol invictus cult and the spread of Christianity and indeed a connection, in my opinion, between Flavius Constantine’s conversion and that cult.’ So this got me to thinking about how Jesus is often represented in pictorial form with the sun behind his head, how this represents his ‘divine’ status and that he is the son of God (or should I say the sun of God?). So that made me wonder about whether Jesus is a ‘cover’ for something else, Sol Invictus perhaps? Like I said I need to research more before referring that to Dr Farrell.

            I am also curious about the actions of a certain controversial emperor. Just what was Julian Augustus up to? Is it really just as it is presented in the history books, a throwback of the pre-Christian age trying to turn back the clock? Or is something deeper going on with Julian during his short reign (361-63). Sorry Mr Bauval Julian did not reign for over thirty years haha. Again I need to do more research on that. So Dr Farrell if you are reading this you have something to look forward to haha. Sorry in advance but it is all so very intriguing.

            So Matt, I thoroughly enjoyed ‘Ratline’ and I also recommend Laurence Gardner’s work to you, I think that you will enjoy those too. Have a great day mate.

            Luke

  1. One is how long would have taken to establish the rat lines escape routes and can we be sure the Goebbels commited suicide and murdered their children. Since the adults bodies were burnt identifying the bodies would be difficult as for the children bodies convenient dead bodies were in abundence and readily available. And interesting possibity for Hitler and Borman is they hung around in Berlin and in chaos at time waited until it possable to leave with lest haste since Hitler was at one time a house painter might use that as a cover while the heat died down and he could move on at lest hasty pace and proper planning the same for Borman.

  2. No matter what label one puts on that gang of elites to me its all the same. (chose your master?) Hitler was a puppet of forces far superior to him. If he survived the war isn’t all that important. At least for me that is because there are a million “little mister and misses Hilters” walking around on the our Planet. Thank God most of them are powerless but even one is too many.

    I kinda like adding a psychological approach to this. I read Jim Marrs where he hinted something about the Ratline. The Nazis’s at the end of the war weren’t like some lowly convict escapee who has no assistance once they miraculessly hop over the barbed-wire into good-citizen enemy-territory. Think of the odds for them of not getting caught. Now, think of the “Loot of Europe” stashed away somewhere safe and how easy it is to tempt or extort even innocent people. A different story emmergs entirely from what we are told from sic, the Official, Conventional Historians. Yes, Germany was defeated but not ….? They were not running from the dogs in a some swamp.

    I guess I never really fanthomed the extent of meaning implied in Marchavelli’s “The Prince.” Dumb American Cultural Conditioning. It’s odd? It only takes the first 7 years of our life to be acculturated or socialized yet it takes decades if ever to undo, unlearn or correct all that baloney!

    I was once upon a time a “lefty” who followed “Chomsky’s thought studiously for over 16 years only to find out a few small things about him through the grapevine. Should I have spent only 16 months with his ideas? Re-directs anyone! The truth is not the Truth if the motivations behind the speaker are bogus yet is the Truth still the truth. Probably so?

    I am awakening to this Nazi business. We are programmed to believe the horrors of Nazi Germany way over there even before we are born (no problem understanding that official enemy) —“yet — we sometimes cant see the dam evil right in front of our eyes in the here and now. This never ceases to amaze me how blind and ignorant we sometimes are. (I really shouldn’t be using the personal pronoun “we” for I know I might upset a few people. The more upset you get from this is very-telling. Do you see the true “picture.” If you do then let me know. I don’t think so? It’s tough tooking in the mirror and not loving yourself, ha, ha! It is better to see what’s there for if you do then you see what’s here.)

    Enough of the Psychoanalytical pitter-patter! I plan to read Farrell’s “Nazi International” and learn how it fares with my present state of beliefs or unawareness(es). It ought to be awful but fun even if it does feed my pre-morbid dispositions. I am often and abruptly and in not polite terms told by my very “liberal and democratic Wife” to be like that childish cartoon character “Barney” and “Be Happy and Possitive!” You know what I mean?

    Somebody once stated in some Anthropology Book somewhere the following adage which I ponder now and then. I wonder if it applies? The proverb goes like this:

    ” You cant defeat the Master using the master’s tools.” ???????

  3. Discovery Channel did a show about the skull of the Fuhrer. It’s a 20 year old girl. My bet is the weasel escaped. Now, escaping in a plane from Berlin would have been kind of a stretch. However, that’s assuming an airplane as vehicle…

  4. for some reason my comment is not posting so i try again.
    ‘I too have wondered about the possibility of some continued existence for Adolph Hitler such as a clone, etc. ‘
    Fantasy 🙂
    I think that even if they have such technology now, or then he was not the type to have survived. Parkinsons, possible syphilis, drug addiction, he was not going to live past 80 as far as Im concerned even with supernatural help.
    His image and charisma, while perverse, were still very powerful and as such hold a fascination, if morbid, even for his detractors. Hes to easy to hate to die; in our cultural mind.

  5. ‘I too have wondered about the possibility of some continued existence for Adolph Hitler such as a clone, etc. ‘
    Fantasy 🙂
    I think that even if they have such technology now, or then he was not the type to have survived. Parkinsons, possible syphilis, drug addiction, he was not going to live past 80 as far as Im concerned even with supernatural help.
    His image and charisma, while perverse, were still very powerful and as such hold a fascination, if morbid, even for his detractors. Hes to easy to hate to die; in our cultural mind.

  6. I too have wondered about the possibility of some continued existance for Adolph Hitler such as a clone, etc. Hitler was a type of Anti-Christ, in my opinion, and I’ve always thought he would possibly reappear.

  7. Well I have always wanted to ask Dr. Farrell this crazy question, and this topic seems applicable enough: have you ever entertained the possibility that Hitler and his buddies might actually still be alive, even in this year 2011 — if the Nazi medical research teams had made sufficient progress in developing a process to prolong human life??

    1. Father Krespi

      I was born in 1889 and I am still as mentally and physically agile as I was when I was 35. What is the key to my longevity? No, it is not a regular diet of the blood of a Christian baby, even though it has been alleged from time to time that I was the bastard son of an Austrian Rothschild. No, the key to my longevity I learned from the Hindoos: a vegetarian diet, yoga, never read a jewish owned newspaper or magazine, and most importantly a teaspoon of Serum 525 daily.

      As I sat in the bunker on those final fateful days, listening to the Russian artillery overhead and cursing the traitors Borman, Mueller, and Kammler for withholding our secret war decisive weapons from the field of battle and then turning them over to the allies in exchange for initiation into the illuminati banking syndicate, my thoughts could only lead to my impending death, either at my own hands or others. Many suggestions were offered to me: poison, pistol, harikari, self-immolation. My chauffeur even suggested I allow myself to be run over by a panzer. Poison seemed the most palatable. Goebbels suggested Zyclon B, but I knew it would take massive amounts to kill a human being as it was designed to kill only lice. It was at this moment my eyes came across the small commemorative jar of Serum 525, otherwise known as Red Mercury, housed in a decorative display on my desk, given to me probably as a cruel joke by Bormann as he perpetually insisted the tide of the war would turn with our new secret weapon: the Bell.

      I knew Mercury, even in small amounts, would act as a poison and I figured it would be rather fitting, the alleged means to mine and the Third Reich’s salvation, Serum 525, be the deliverer of my death. So, after writing my Will and disposing of my beloved Eva, I imbibed in the mysterious liquid and waited for my death. After a brief period of nausea and discomfort, my body began to feel light and suddenly I knew I had discovered the essence of the Universe. I had become one with all creation and the essence of my own life had become known. I had become the Bell. I was now beyond the forces of space and time and all mysteries of life and death were now known to me. I had achieved perfect unity with cosmic existence.

      By knowing my own essence, and that of the Universe, I was able to preserve it and become Immortal. I was now free from death and disease. I had serendipitously achieved true Alchemy and I didn’t need billions of marks, the best scientists in the Reich and thousands of slave laborers to achieve it in a clunker of welded metal, spinning barrels, and electricity. I had in fact achieved what had eluded my enemies for centuries: the elixir of youth and the Serum of all knowingness. My greatness was now sealed. I had become a God. I was Immortal and had complete knowledge of the past and the future. Moreover, I could materialize and dematerialize at will. And with that gift from Serum 525, I quietly slipped out of the bunker and into anonymity.

      God bless,
      Father krespi

  8. I saw that site a few months ago and I wanted to buy his books, but unfortunately he told me they are only in spanish so there goes that idea 🙁 Thanks for sharing the article though.

    1. if you view the Spanish language material at that site,
      using Google Chrome as the web browser, there is
      a translation tool at the top of the page. Not perfect,
      but good enough.

  9. I’m sure we are all aware of Catalina Gamero, who saw Adolf Hitler and Eva Braun at the hotel she worked at in 1948….

  10. Maybe the real destination was Bariloche, and the document’s
    purpose, perhaps put together before the suicides etc.,
    was to lay a false trail for the Allies who would be looking for
    them. The fact that such a document exists, means someone
    wanted someone to see it, but it doesn’t mean the contents
    are entirely correct. Rule no. 1 of disinformation, is that some,
    maybe even a lot, of the information is correct, but there is
    some red herring in there.

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