I thought this was interesting: scientists from the University of Oregon have found artifacts indicating a seafaring and fishing economy operating in the early Amerindian civilizations in the area, indicating an age of approximately ten thousand years ago.

More Early Seafaring Evidence from California

What interests me here is that if one combines this data with the data presented in my friend Igor Witkowski's Axis of the World, a fascinating study of the great antiquity of Indian civilizations in the Americas, one is getting even more indicators of problems with the old land bridge theory. Witkowski mentions in his book the remains of apparent civilization in southern Chile that are possible as old as 15,000 years, including pottery and tool-making. One need only contemplate such sites, and the apparent technological prowess of whatever civilization as built the massive - and self-evidently machined - remains of Tiahuanaco and Puma Punkhu in Bolivia, to see the nature of the problem.

Bluntly stated, it is this: the civilizations of the Americas were of a much higher order than the standard land bridge theory will allow, and they are also of greater antiquity than would seem to follow logically from that theory. There is an additional problem, one that Witkowski also mentions, namely, that one would expect, on standard models of human progress, to find civilization more advanced in North America rather than South America, but the reverse is true. It would appear that civilization spread from South to North, rather than vice versa as the standard model would have it.

Witkowski theorizes that this represents the spread from the Indian sub-continent, through Polynesia, and across the southern Pacific ocean, rather than the standard land-bridge theory. And that, of course, requires navigation and seafaring capability. Of course, the artifacts in California are a long way from proving such a seafaring capability, but neither do they counter it. Their antiquity, moreover, falls into the broad time frame of Witkowski's argued speculations.

There's one more thing that should be mentioned here, and that is the various Native traditions - from South to North America - that mention they came from some civilization that suffered a cataclysmic flood. If this is beginning to sound a bit like Atlantis, it is, except there is one major problem, and Witkowski also point this out. In Easter Island, the traditions speak of a cataclysm in the Western ocean, i.e., the Pacific. Whereas in Meso-America, Aztec tradition describes this as something occurring in the eastern ocean, i.e., the Atlantic. One need not be reminded here of the ruins of Nan Madol in Polynesia, with their mysterious roads that disappear into the ocean only to reemerge on islands sometimes hundreds of miles away, nor need on be reminded of the Bimini Road in the Caribbean.  Slowly, but surely, we are finding things that are challenging the standard models... the vast work of a new synthesis into a new model, remains.

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Joseph P. Farrell

Joseph P. Farrell has a doctorate in patristics from the University of Oxford, and pursues research in physics, alternative history and science, and "strange stuff". His book The Giza DeathStar, for which the Giza Community is named, was published in the spring of 2002, and was his first venture into "alternative history and science".


  1. DD on March 10, 2011 at 6:51 pm

    Scholars are finally coming around to the antiquity and advancement of the Americas. See the books 1491 (Mann) & The Settlement of the Americas (Dillehay). People are also asking, “If people were here for so long, is it reasonable to think they had no contacts with the rest of the world?” See books like Vikings in America (Davis), 1421 (Menzies) and The Island of Seven Cities (Chiasson).

  2. Greg Parent on March 10, 2011 at 7:45 am

    If one thinks of time in terms of a spiral vortex (“The Symbolism of the Cross”, Rene Guenon), wherein the spirals move both horizontally and vertically, time has both a qualitative (vertical) and quantitative (horizontal) aspect. A civilization that existed on a vertical point higher (Atlantis for instance) or lower than the present cycle would not be easily discovered by conventional methods. That is not to say that there wouldn’t be any evidence, but that modern scientists would most likely be unable to interpret the evidence adequately–they would miss it in other words. Knowing what constitutes evidence and interpreting it correctly would require lateral thinking. Fortunately, there are some researchers (Joseph among them) that. display this quality more than others.

    • Greg Parent on March 11, 2011 at 5:15 am

      For those who have eyes to see and ears to hear, this is precisely what is meant by the “transfiguration” and the “resurrection of the body”. At the beginning of the next cycle, corporal manifestation will be transfigured, as it were, in relation to the corporalality of the present world.

      • Gregory on March 11, 2011 at 6:31 am

        Redemtion is the sacred yes
        of Mary in her sorrowful rest
        yesterday meets the mercy song
        today the rose it prolongs

        Hast thou seen the rose
        in electronic rust
        or swansdown ever

        Tomorow’s rose defies the time
        in such regiment as are mine
        who defiled in a line
        of preordered preferences
        and the vision of your gaze

  3. Bill on March 10, 2011 at 5:52 am

    The dates that are the findings of Dr. Virginia Steen-McIntyre and her colleagues at the Mexican sites are very well detailed in Cremo and Thompson’s voluminous “Forbidden Archaeology.” Given that this is evidence of a vastly greater antiquity for “anatomically modern humans,” then the civilization evidence on the surfaces of the moon and Mars flys in the face of any notions that, if man has been around for many hundreds of thousands of years, only over the most recent six thousand humanity has achieved civilization. Civilization comes and goes; perhaps one hundred thousand years from now, the state of culture might once again be newly regained early agricultural neolithic!

  4. Christine on March 8, 2011 at 5:24 pm

    Though the content is different, and the Aztec and Maya
    art is much more cluttered and confusing looking, the
    angular quality strongly reminds me of Chinese building
    and those borders on some things. The Maya also
    strongly resemble in profile a particular high class clan
    of the Japanese, I can’t recall the name right now, it was
    the one that traditionally always supplied concubines to
    the Emperor.

  5. Jon Norris on March 8, 2011 at 5:04 pm

    Something which I only discovered last year is that the language of the Klamath tribe of Oregon is so similar to Japanese, that modern Japanese and the Klamath can speak together quite easily.

    That has a limited number of explanations, none of which are included in the standard model.

    The dating of such finds too far out of sync with the standard model has ruined more than one career, as well.

    What a shame people don’t just follow the evidence…..

  6. Nancy on March 8, 2011 at 4:55 pm

    wonder what those ancient seamen would do about all those sardines that washed up on the California beach today

  7. Christine on March 8, 2011 at 11:49 am

    • Greg Parent on March 8, 2011 at 9:47 pm

      That’s it!

      It’s great to see a group take up the challenge…I hope they can corroborate some of the findings…and I hope some the original artifacts will be found..

  8. Greg Parent on March 8, 2011 at 9:53 am

    Christopher Hardaker in “The First American” discusses the remarkable Valsequillo discoveries and subsequent suppression. Artifacts indicating human habitation, including a bifacial spearhead, were unearthed at the Valsequillo Resevor in Mexico by an archeological team from Harvard. The team also included scientists from USGS , Virgina Polytechnic, University of Arizona Geochronolgy Laboratories, and Washington State University Radioisotopes and Radiation Laboratory. The excavation took place between 1962–1973. The archeologists postulated that the findings were 40,000 years old–three times older than the offical–at that time–date for the first Americans. Incredibly, the United States Geological Survey geologists came up with date of 250,000 years old!

    These dates were published in esteemed geological journals but were written off by archeologists as being far too old. Afterward, Valsequillo became off limits for official archeological study–a veritable forbidden zone.
    The investigation goes on to reveal other findings that had never been officially disclosed, such as a skull. Why this site was so precipitously abandoned has never been adequately explained. What was found that was so explosive? No one knows–who is telling anyway–what happened to the artifacts–so we may never know.

    • James Harvey on November 14, 2011 at 12:15 pm


      I think that it is less a matter of what was found than the acrimony that was created around Valsequillo when Juan Lorenzo, if I remember correctly, started a big pissing match with the American team and the Mexican discoverer of the site. Hardaker covers this in his book, I think (my copy of the book is packed up at the moment.) Anyway, the woman in charge of the dig, whose name escapes me, wasn’t about to destroy her career over that old a date.

      This is totally off the subject but reading The Philosophers’ Stone recently I caught an error in the Kozyrev section- forgive me if someone has already brought this up. The Reichenbach that Kozyrev refers to is not the Baron, but a 20th century positivist philosopher named Hans Reichenbach, who did some important work on special and general relativity and thermodynamics. Other than that the book was quite interesting.

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