We've been following the story of the eurozone and Germany rather closely here on this website, particularly as regards to Germany's demands to repatriate its gold from the Bank of England, from the Banque de France, and the New York Federal Reserve. Most people by now know this story: Germany has been told "You can have seven years," a polite and euphemistic way of saying "Come back in seven years and we'll come up with another excuse not to return it."

This type of behavior has sparked endless internet rumors that the Fed doesn't have it at all, and is trying to conceal the fact. Well, as I have pointed out in other blogs on this site, the problem of Germany's gold in the New York Fed seems to go back at least to 1928, when visiting Reichsbank President, Dr. Hjalmar Horace Greeley Schacht paid a visit to his friend, Benjamin Stong, in New York City. Asking to see his country's gold, Strong took Schacht down into the vaults, only to be told by his staff that...well...that they couldn't find Germany's gold. Schacht, in his memoirs, stated that he wasn't worried, and informed his friend Strong that "I know you're good for it." More probably, Schacht knew exactly what was going on, and Strong and the banksters knew that Schacht knew. Maybe this whole episode - among others - was one reason the tall lanky German-American-and-back-to-German Schacht received such a light sentence at Nuremberg on the conclusion of World War Two.

Episodes like this do not, of course, inspire confidence in the Western financial system, and over several blogs on this site, I have made the prediction that while its economy is robust, Germany simply does not have the locomotive traction to pull Europe out of the fiasco that the euro has proven to be, nor to pull the spendthrift governments of southern Europe out of their (bankster-engineered) slumps. Similarly, I've also been predicting that Germany would quietly play its traditional balance of power diplomatic act between the western powers (France, the UK, and the USA) while reaching out and courting the eastern power (Russia).  Preparatory to any major geopolitical realignment  toward the east and the BRICSA nations, Germany would face reality, withdraw from the Eurozone, reinstitute the Deutschmark, while maintaining some sort of presence in NATO.

Well, the noises perhaps may perhaps be sounded. Consider this little article:

Top adviser of German Ministry of Finance: The Euro falls apart!

There is also, for those able to read German, an interesting interview with Herr Konrad at Die Welt, here:

Deutschland kann die Euro-Zone nicht retten

The title of the latter, "Deutschland kann die Euro-Zone nicht retten," Germany cannot save the Euro-Zone, says it all.

What is more intriguing however is the level from which this comes: high enough in the finance ministry to make everyone sit up and take notice, and yet, not from anyone official. In other words, it appears that the German government might be using a non-official spokesman to float a trial balloon, a limited hang-out position, to gauge the measure of response that will inevitably come from France, Britain, and the USA, none of whom would desire any deepening German ties with Russia. After all, the last time those ties were "deepened" Poland disappeared in two weeks, and France a few months later. Obviously, Germany is not planning any such thing, nor are the Russians, but historical memories are long, and the geopolitical consequences of such a realignment would be far reaching.

The message, however, coming from Herr Konrad is interesting from yet another point of view, and that is his insistence that Europe itself is worth saving, and that this cultural heritage is somehow in conflict with the whole nonsensical idea of the Eurozone itself. Southern Europeans in Italy and Spain, the other two large economies in Europe, know all too well the consequences of Brussels-driven austerity, with Berlin playing the role of bad cop and enforcer, and none of this is to the liking of Spaniards, Italians, or, for that matter, the Germans bailing out their spendthrift governments.

In short, Herr Konrad his signaled a new dialectical tension that, I suspect, is going to become a major theme of debates in Europe in the future: the tension between euro-hysteria and utopian visions coming out of Brussels and various banks and their famous banking dynasty families on the one hand, and the realities of European culture and politics on the other.  When Germany starts coupling such analyses with renewed - though probably quietly voiced - calls for its gold to be repatriated, that's when to start thinking, for that will be another sign that that country - rightly - is tired of playing the role of a client puppet state of Washington and London.

See you on the flip side.

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Joseph P. Farrell

Joseph P. Farrell has a doctorate in patristics from the University of Oxford, and pursues research in physics, alternative history and science, and "strange stuff". His book The Giza DeathStar, for which the Giza Community is named, was published in the spring of 2002, and was his first venture into "alternative history and science".


  1. Sagnacity on August 30, 2013 at 4:50 am


    Moving beyond the standard “the jews are out to get ‘us’ from all sides” in that comment, I’ll assume you agree that in Germany contributed significantly to the economic mess in Europe in 2013–and irony if Germany wanted more power in Europe, Germany would figure out how to contribute to fixing the mess instead of blaming anybody but Germany.

  2. robert fritsche on August 29, 2013 at 3:56 pm

    Some strange events in financial spheres in switzerland.

    Josef Ackermann, the former CEO of Deutsche Bank, resigns for the alleged suicide of Pierre Wauthier, Chief Financial Officer of Zurich Insurance Group, after the suicide of Carsten Schloter , CEO of the largest telecommunications provider in the country.

    in german. Use the google translator, if you trust him.

    I don’t have the background to connect dods here, but it seems strange.

    • shockandawe on August 29, 2013 at 4:26 pm

      Those dots have dashes between them… Morse Code….. SOS.

    • jedi on August 29, 2013 at 5:22 pm

      fake suicides…. the golden parachutes are too problematic.

      The first 3 life boats that went off the ship, were regrettable empty……safely aboard a ship with cabins for 72 and morse code operator sound asleep or was he enjoying the fireworks show on the white star line.

    • LSM on August 31, 2013 at 7:55 am

      Hi Robert,

      “I don’t have the background to connect dods here”- the only background one needs to have is knowing the big-time financial “action” on this planet (for better or for worse) is occuring in the country of Switzerland (the most underestimated country in the world) and NOT in the US, Russia, GB, CAN, D, F, etc.-

      I’ve blogged/stated it time and time again ad nauseum (mostly to deaf orthographic ears) and will repeat it yet again until people finally come to their senses about the true machinations behind the “benevolent,” “neutral” (barf) country of Switzerland: the largest, evilest money-laundering trough on the planet-

      “.. but it seems strange”- nothing at all strange about it if one is aware of the history of Switzerland- the Swiss (or their controllers) just don’t only manufacture precision watches; it seems they also provide precision graveyards for anyone trying to expose their money-laundering machinations; doesn’t exactly come out yet in the wash but everything is done on their “watch”-

      and just as one of many countless examples: guess where Trotzsky, Lenin, etc. all hung-out and were protected under “neutrality” before they entered Russia to start the Russian revolution?- you guessed it-

      stay well- regards-

      Larry in Germany

      • Don B on August 31, 2013 at 10:37 am


        I gotch ya. The Lodge Alpina is a well known institution if you get my drift. Yes, Switzerland is in a battle with other financial institutions at the present time. They are having to comply with rules of other countries and that isn’t setting to well with them.


      • Robert Barricklow on September 2, 2013 at 3:01 pm

        Yes Larry.
        For me their country/flag
        represents a …red flag.
        “They” try to remain below the radar, but are up to their necks in it, behind the scenes.

  3. DownunderET on August 29, 2013 at 3:18 pm

    The world is in turmoil that’s for sure, and maybe the elites are just as troubled as the rest of us. How the Fed got away with the “7 years” return of Germany’s gold still astounds me no end. And now Syria is tipped into this basket case full of sabre rattling by the lunatics Obama, Biden, Kerry and the UK’s Cameron.
    I’m not an Alex Jones fan, but there is an excellent article over at Infowars that speaks of the alternative media making the case for the world to look a lot closer at this “death gas” scenario. In other words, politicians in the US and the UK are saying “WAIT A MINUTE HERE”, lets just have a really good look at this intended military intervention.

    At this point it looks like Mr. Obama and Mr. Cameron are not going to get their way after all, and oh boy, wont the MSM be pissed off at that.

    The EU is doomed, and the German elections will be a decisive event that’s for sure. The NSA saga was enough to inform the world that it isn’t what everybody thought is was, and the heavy cloak and dagger going on behind the scenes is now out of the box.

    • DownunderET on August 29, 2013 at 3:26 pm

      Moments ago the UK parliament voted against any military intervention in Syria, there is a lot of egg on some faces to come, and if Obama doesn’t “GO IN”, then the amount of egg just went ballistic.

      • shockandawe on August 29, 2013 at 3:34 pm

        Press Conference @White House:

        Reporter: “Ah Mr. P… how would you like your eggs?”

        Mr. P: “Scrambled, of course… next question?”

      • jedi on August 29, 2013 at 4:05 pm

        The elites are in a lot of trouble, there followers are leaving in droves, there genetics are polluted and as such, it is like a frontal lobotomy,.. cock a doodle doo.
        The Chinese elites on the other hand is another story

        A good caesar always starts off with a scrambled egg yolk, some pork bits and home made toasted bread squares….with a bit of sour wine and a tash of hermajesties whorechester sauce and tobacosco, dont forget the salty anchovies.
        all esoteric.

  4. marcos toledo on August 29, 2013 at 12:24 pm

    By the way where is all the gold Europe stole from the Americas, Australia, Africa and Asia. Maybe Wall Street and Bank of London could get the Eric Brothers to use their philosopher stone to make more gold to payoff the Reichsbank. A what’s your take on our overlords in war in Syria Mr. Farrell.

    • shockandawe on August 29, 2013 at 3:30 pm

      Marcos: 3-D print more gold. The folks with the LHC at Geneva, literally have turned lead into gold…..albeit at the sub-atomic scale. Gold nonetheless. Can you say “Scale it up!”?

      Doc: Hope your days are calming.

      • Martin Burger on August 29, 2013 at 4:52 pm


        The LHC is a pretty hefty ticket lab tool for micro sized gold.

        Do you have a link that you can share on LHC making gold? We make gold at blue eagle refiners with synthetic seed ores + frequency and temp, I would be interested to see if the two methods are related (how could they not be).


        • shockandawe on September 3, 2013 at 10:13 am

          Martin, sorry to overlook your question.
          Since about 2010, LHC has essentially been extracting gold, already contained within the lead itself.

          Certainly, not cost effective.

          Its the application of gold that is the real question.
          Here is a related article, again LHC.
          QGP Quark Gluon Plasma

          Colliding lead and gold.

          Dr. Farrell………….. There is plasma again.

          • Martin Burger on September 3, 2013 at 4:02 pm

            Thanks for the link.

            I am convinced that new elements can be created or transmutated in high energy physics and I am not surprised to see some gold showing up in their experiments. Though me thinks that some times when you have a ten pound hammer we will find a place to use it, appropriate tool for the job or not. Using the LHC to make a gold molecule quickly becomes rather ridiculous.

            I am convinced from our Blue Eagle lab trials that new elements are being continuously created with cosmic interferometry at LENR. (low energy nuclear reactions). Evidence of the new LENR precious elements are in such quantity and in so many places so as to be indicative of higher yield efficiencies.

            Dr. Milewski found dendritic gold crystals in a sample bag that had grown on a sample stored from three years prior (lots of them). These dendritic gold crystals literally grew on the surface of a lump of magnetite used as a microwave susceptor in a gold making lab trial.

            I foresee “dial a metal” technology production and at costs much nearer to that of aluminium in the mid to long term.

            See Kickstarter project vid:

      • Urr12 on August 31, 2013 at 12:56 pm

        For what it’s worth, I went to a conference on 3-D printing the other day in Neuchatel (about 80 miles from Geneva). One of the panelists was a fairly young industrialist/researcher who passed around a few objects his company had manufactured. One was a beaded necklace made of gold. I mean the beads looked just like gold. I came late and missed the beginning unfortunately, and didn’t hear how it compares to “real gold”, in weight, value, etc. He just mentioned when the beads were being passed around that his company had spent two years perfecting the process of making that “gold”. I had to leave and didn’t get the chance to ask more.

  5. shockandawe on August 29, 2013 at 12:19 pm

    Three things: 1- Global Debt Reset (hit the big RED button please).
    2- Digital commerce (no physical backing of any type/substance)
    3- Single Leader (yawn, yes, yes, we know) and power structure.

    China’s hording of gold, soon to be irrelevant.

  6. DanaThomas on August 29, 2013 at 9:58 am

    As Sagnacity implies, the term “spendthrift” should be in quotation marks. In other words, the present status of the eurozone countries (but also sterling) is a legacy of the debt-based monetary system.
    A recent piece on RT pointed out that there is trouble in a “Germanic” country like the Netherlands, where the juggling between austerity and the housing bubble have not stopped the decline. While before they were the most outspoken in imposing austerity (i.e. confiscating peoples’ wealth in favour of the banking system) on other countries, Holland is now starting to reject its own medicine…

  7. Martin Burger on August 29, 2013 at 9:34 am

    A long time friend of mine, a child protégée of the ruling elite in Shanghai, told me in 2010 of China’s plan to float the metal backed Renminbi along with a virtual metal backed online currency (This Dragon Lady was responsible for the roll out strategy input to the 5 year Beijing plan).

    She explained that there is no fixed time line for the metal backed Renminbi roll out as that would only accelerate further devaluation of their $3.5 trillion dollar US reserves and they are content to let global events dictate their roll out timing.

    One of the main problems they were dealing with was the International Settlements and SWIFT clearing mechanisms and this now appears to be resolved with the BRICKS Development Bank announcement.

    China is spending their US reserves like drunken sailors purchasing anything of value around the world with a priority focus on agricultural resources, metals and high technologies to further leverage the manufacturing base which they are steadily transitioning hedge to serve their burgeoning middle class internal markets, as the global markets are softening.

    The Chinese are very smart and as the world’s largest gold producer, they force the Chinese miners to sell their internally produced gold to the state.

    Not only is China stealthily buying massive tonnages of physical gold, they are buying gold in the ground by spending their soon to be worthless US reserves to buy control in the world’s largest gold producers (they recently attempted to purchase a 74 % stake in Barrick Africa).

    The gold price has been artificially suppressed by the central banks paper gold and at some point will break out. How far can gold go? There are few credible gold analysts getting any press on where these tectonic shifts will lead us, but the smart money is betting we will see Gold trade in the $5000 – $10,000 range when China officially rolls out the metal backed Renminbi and their trading version of Bitcoin which is already in use in Shanghai.

    Not much of this can be gleaned watching CNN or Bloomberg and it is only sites like yours digging deeper into the info pile.


    • henry on August 29, 2013 at 11:00 am

      • Martin Burger on August 29, 2013 at 11:18 am

        Thanks for the link…. an interesting article…. though me thinks Sreeram underestimates the formidable strength of the BRICS, seeming to focus too much on their challenges in the face of a tanking global economy and not the inevitability of their combined strength in the percentage of global GDP avoiding the colonialism trap of global trade settlements. The world is too focused on this ME noise, over extending themselves spending treasury on munitions, all the while these other guys are quietly doing some very sound business deals.

      • henry on August 29, 2013 at 1:40 pm

        “The vision laid down by Russian Prime Minister Dmitry Medvedev in his 2009 modernisation programme, which envisages a shift away from fossil fuels and towards a high technology- and innovation-motored economy, has an inevitable logical soundness that must be implemented by BRICS to escape the proverbial ‘resource curse’ and ‘Dutch disease’. ”
        “Investments in higher education, cutting edge scientific knowledge and manufacturing sectors should not be delayed any further in BRICS countries, which have not always put their money where their long-term interests lie.”
        In “CHINESE STOCKS AND A COMPUTER “ERROR”?”, i provided few links from my recent digging into the “computer error” story which attracted my attention after “Nasdaq glitch” involving Goldman Sach and companies like Google and Microsoft, the timing of these events seem too coincidental and frankly it reminded me of “Snowden revelation”.
        So i hypothesized that if these were manifestations of some kind of “cyber war”, then perhaps the targeted company is somehow directly involved in this ongoing conflict.
        Hence it seems even more coincidental that Everbright Group whose stocks was troubled by a “computer error” is also the state-controlled bank currently funding the world’s largest PV polysilicon producer, GCL Group in accordance with the government’s “12th Five Year Plan” which highlighted sustainability.
        How does that tie into Germany’s increasing dissent over “playing the role of a client puppet state of Washington and London”? well, i suppose another area worth to pay attention to is the promotion of “green technology” how Germany and China “coordinated” in that regard.

        Now jumping back to the cited RT article (and incidentally written by an Indian scholar) and the call by BRICSA nations to “shift away from fossil fuels and towards a high technology- and innovation-motored economy”, i suspect the ongoing “cyber war”, coupled with “financial/currency war”, that the BRICSA nations as well as “dissenting Germany” are stockpiling gold on one hand while hyping “green technology” on the other hand is perhaps no coincidence.
        Besides Chancellor Merkel’s “strange move” in the Eu-China trade war affecting the photovoltaic industry (as observed by Dr.Farrell in his blog “MORE STRANGE MOVES FROM GERMANY IN EUROPE”), another “strange thing” is one moment EU and China are having trade war over solar PV and another moment they are discussing “evironmental cooperation” .
        currency war, repatriation of gold, promotion of green technology, BRICSA, trade war over solar PV, Germany’s strange moves, etc these events are all connected.

        So, i digged little more to find out that GCL is also planning to build solar farms in South Africa, India and Thailand.
        also, an “interesting” video from GCL titled “green power changes the world”.

        • Joseph P. Farrell on August 29, 2013 at 2:39 pm

          Great links and thoughts Henry, thanks for taking the time to find all these links!

  8. Frankie Calcutta on August 29, 2013 at 7:40 am

    I wonder what pulling out of the Euro does to France? Hopefully Germany and Russia are making plans to topple the loathsome anglosphere puppet French government. It seems this would be the geopolitical prize. And we can’t have a return of the Holy Roman Empire without France. If the Syrians are smart they will be sure to sink a French warship and not an American ship when the NATO bombardment commences. This will really make the average Frenchman wonder why his country is doing the zionists’ dirty work in the Middle East. Or maybe someone will sink that French warship for the Syrians? And it won’t be the Israelis. They will be busy plotting how to sink a US warship and not get caught, which may be a tough task with so many expecting this… including the Pentagon.

    I also wonder how Germany’s 3 D manufacturing industry is coming along and if their efforts are war preparations as well. I might be mistaken but I thought the Germans were the vanguard of this new revolutionary technology. I imagine their war preparations would be in anticipation of attacks not from outer space but from Earth based aliens headquartered in London, Tel Aviv, and the US.

    • jedi on August 29, 2013 at 2:16 pm

      Theres no French left in France, they left….they will sell off the eifel tower…as a temporary measure of course….once you go to the dark side, you never come back,

      Like in Rhodesia, they actually rolled up all the power lines. and sold them too china for scrap….lol, they did the same thing with the twin towers……anything for a buck.

  9. Sagnacity on August 29, 2013 at 7:31 am

    Is it that German gold, perhaps held by the NY Fed or perhaps not, will be shipped back to Germany in 7 years or is it that the total shipping time is projected to take 7 years? There’s a significant difference and it’s not at all clear that shipment is to only start in 7 years time.

    Then “spendthrift” southern Europeans, um except Spain, and I believe Portugal, were running balanced budgets for years.

    Ireland is not in southern Europe either, so there’s reason to skip geographic generalizations.

    Sure ibankers sure helped the troubles along and then asked for government guarantees, similar to Wall Street bailouts, but many of those ibankers were German. So Germany is still taking monies from places like Ireland. (Yep the other usual suspects too.)

    • Urr12 on August 29, 2013 at 3:02 pm

      Exactly. Germany might leave the Euro indeed, but nor before every cent has been sucked out of other nations and it’s Germany “uber alles”, finally. As to France being a “puppet of the anglosphere”, if Paul Manning is to be believed, a puppet of Germany would be closer to the truth. Collaborationist France, before, during and after WWII, shares a lot of the blame. But which nation was responsible for WWI and WWII in the first place? Which was the aggressor, and did it really ever pay for its crimes, or did it profit hugely from them? Was that aggression by Germany, or the United States? Who is the US’s oldest ally, who were France’s Allies during WWII? The plunder of Europe by Germany began then, and has hardly been accounted for. It is curious how some people have their history all upside down and continue to be blinded by the so-called “German miracle”, which is no miracle at all. They are being duped into German revisionism. Germany still holds its Expellees conference in Berlin every year claiming reparations from Poland, the Czech Republic, Slovakia, Romania… the audacity! Now should France, who lost 40% of its youth to the German aggression of 1914-1918, and 600 000 men in 1939-1945, align itself which Germany? To a huge extent, deplorably, it does. Charles de Gaulle and the Free French did their best to save the day. But the reality is that France was murdered in WWI and finished off in WWII and is no longer itself. It is my dearest hope to see it rise again before I die; believe me, the world will be a much better place. To anyone fawning over Germany, think hard, and really decide for yourselves if you prefer tyranny and the Prussian way, or democracy and the American/British and French ways – which are, when it comes down to it, one and the same. Literally, etymologically, the Franks are the “free men”, and France is the “land of the free”.

      • jedi on August 29, 2013 at 3:39 pm

        Adolf Hitler, 1944 in a private talk with Goring,
        I am a Jew, and I am your father…..thanks for the golden goose step egg……to which Goring replied in a wailing grimace, much like Luke with Dark Invader..Nooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo.

        and that is why Goring failed in the cave/ prison. Or did he take the zombie pill to escape the noose.

        Trying to make sense of the elites is impossible, they are nuts.

        • Sagnacity on August 30, 2013 at 4:52 am

          And someday this webware will figure out how to track “replies”:


          Moving beyond the standard “the jews are out to get ‘us’ from all sides” in that comment, I’ll assume you agree that in Germany contributed significantly to the economic mess in Europe in 2013–and irony if Germany wanted more power in Europe, Germany would figure out how to contribute to fixing the mess instead of blaming anybody but Germany.

          • jedi on September 3, 2013 at 8:37 am

            Sagcity, easy now, all group think has blood on its hand….I have no preference on which phantom I expose…it all comes from the same rafter,

            I thought that was a funny comment that exposed a LIE…

      • Sagnacity on August 30, 2013 at 4:45 am

        Urr12 says:

        Just to be clear: I’m not the commenter who called France a puppet of the AngloAmerican types.

        Right Germany had a huge hand in engineering this mess and it sure looks like some of this was done to further empower Germany within Europe in the long term–something France+Italy+Czechs+Poland wouldn’t like too much.

        My objection to the blog post was no mention of the very clear role of German banks in running the economies of Spain and Ireland into the ground (not limited to those two countries either); it’s tiresome to see Germans acting as if they somehow acted frugally in all this, when in fact it’s that German ibanks got out of the mess a tiny bit sooner than Anglo types, and the German banks made sure to get say Irish government guarantees for “bonds” Irish banks had sold to German ibanks and other ibanks.

        So in fact irresponsible German behavior is to blame for a lot of the mess in Europe and they need to stop miss representing their irresponsibities.

        Norway (not in the Eurozone) and Sweden (in) both wealthy and not in horrible shape economically didn’t behave like the Germans and massively fund real estate speculation in Spain and Ireland and then expect to be paid back.

        • Urr12 on August 30, 2013 at 2:27 pm

          Sagnacity: I know it wasn’t you. My comment was more general, I just get terribly tired of the “Germany is great” theme. I certainly agree with you.

          • Frankie Calcutta on August 31, 2013 at 10:19 am


            I guess you won’t want to hear this news then:


            Soon to be a more popular European tourist destination then Auschwitz. I think the people have spoken.

          • Urr12 on August 31, 2013 at 1:19 pm

            The following sentence was more than a little shocking (or maybe it’s just the Russian journalist being sarcastic):
            “Instead, the complex will likely become a preserved memorial, like the Auschwitz death camp in Poland.”

          • Sagnacity on August 31, 2013 at 4:59 pm


            Only a popular destination for those whom remaking facts of history is important.

            Anyhow: Ironically Albert Speer said of that stadium: We tried to build it to last hundreds of years and it was built like crap so only lasted 12. (Yes, I’m paraphrasing.) And Speer doesn’t appear to have known much more than the facts of concrete, caves and stadiums.

          • Margaret on August 31, 2013 at 10:38 pm

            @FC Interesting that you mention this … I would be one of those visitors to the renovated Nazi rally complex. I graduated from Nürnberg High School and we used Zeppelin field for our football games, as the article mentions. At that time and age we were more interested in our sport than in the history of the setting, although aware of its significance. Our school mascot was an eagle, which I didn’t connect with the Nazi symbol until years later. It was an experience I appreciate much more now than at the time. FWIW, the unfortunate DNI director James Clapper is also a NHS alumnus. Such coincidences are threads that might form a pattern later but for now, just a curiosity … my 2 cents as an aside to this discussion.

        • Frankie Calcutta on August 31, 2013 at 10:28 am

          Yaj the unbelievable,

          As if defending Israel and pornography weren’t enough, now you are defending the banksters and blaming the plunder of Europe on the Germans? You really are too much. Next you will be saying human sacrifice is okay.

          Don’t mistake (or obfuscate) the bankster banks such as Deutsch bank as being run by Germans. They take their orders from the anglosphere.

          • Sagnacity on August 31, 2013 at 4:52 pm


            More lies from you about my positions. Thank you, not, for mixing up sexuality an porn.

            The fact remains that German ibankers didn’t have to take orders, they decided to plunder Ireland and Spain and perhaps more. (If they followed orders, how Nazi soldier like–so no independent thinking there.) German banks are vastly responsible for the mess in Europe, lies from you to the contrary prove nothing. (And are akin to claims that the WTC was powderized by bombs.)

            How ironic that you claim to have worked in finance in New York City.

          • Sagnacity on August 31, 2013 at 4:59 pm

            “and” for “an”.

      • LSM on August 31, 2013 at 9:08 am

        Hi Urr12,

        I’m a US American who has been living in Germany since ’78 and I speak fluent German (at least I’ve been accused of this)- now let’s back-pedal a bit, OK?-

        all wars are bankster wars (I assume you already realise this) and there is no country on this planet that has been used more as a PAWN, more initially financially aided by the international banksters and then to be subsequently destroyed afterward by the same cabal than…..Germany; the international banksters initially funded Germany during WW1 as a buffer to emerging Communism (the banksters’ own creation) only to switch sides at the last minute to destroy Germany- Germany at that time had out-lived it’s purpose-

        WW2 was no different; the same cabal that was behind Roosevelt/Churchill financed the N*zis; and Germany was yet again led down the garden path to death and destruction (the unneccesary, hideous, despicable fire-bombing of Dresden being a classic example)-

        if you really believe (as so many falsely do) Germany was the catalyst starting both world wars you need to delve a bit more into true historical facts- Germany started neither but because of it’s economic superiority before both wars it became a propaganda scapegoat of the global cabal and it’s economic prosperity was smeared because it was a threat to all other countries-

        for you to state “fawning over Germany” remains a riddle to me; why?- because German know-how (prosperity) continues to this day?- Germany has yet again become THE economic power-house on this planet-

        the only thing the average German wants is a secure, happy, peaceful life- not world domination-

        stay well- regards-

        Larry in Germany

        • Urr12 on August 31, 2013 at 1:48 pm

          I get your points, but the fact remains that Germany WAS the aggressor. Dresden was horrible, but starting a world war is a sure way to stack the odds of your opponents’ showing mercy against you. Also, it is simply not true that Germany was economically and technically superior to, say, France before WWI, although it had catching up fast to be sure. My grandmother who was a nurse during WWII taught us not to hate the Germans – she had a pure heart – despite the sacrifice of her husband and her brothers and what they did generally to our country – and I trust her wisdom, just don’t expect any warm feelings from me. Note also that two important figures in the French rapprochement with Germany (the so-called “franco-german friendship”) and its culmination in the euro were presidents V. Giscard d’Estaing and F. Mitterrand. GE’s father was a collaborationist in the economic elite milieu; Mitterrand was a Vichy civil servant who joined the Resistance at the last moment and maintained friendships with vichyists for the rest of his life. So the son of a traitor, and a traitor in his own right became presidents and sold the country to the euro. The euro has been hugely detrimental to France, and beneficial to Germany, this is a simple fact. The whole situation pisses me off and I feel as a stranger in my country (where I no longer live).

          Another thing, if there is any truth to Paul Manning’s book, we are facing a worrisome reality, whether the majority of Germans want world domination or not.

          • Urr12 on August 31, 2013 at 1:50 pm

            sorry for the terrible syntax… it’s getting late.
            Take care, Ur

          • LSM on September 1, 2013 at 9:28 am

            “The whole situation pisses me off and I feel as a stranger in my country (where I no longer live)- I can only assume France- so why didn’t you state this?- correct me if I’m wrong-

            if you think the country of France has suffered more under the Euro than any other European country I beg to differ; come to Germany and I’ll show you my bank statements showing how the inception of the Euro over the former German Mark has halved my bying power-

            if you truly believe that “Germans” (or any faction thereof) want world domination you need to delve a bit more into true world history- Germany, France, the US, GB, etc. are/have been all being controlled by a hidden hand and Germany (because of its intependent financial successes) has been raped, decimated and looted to its core- the N*zi movement was nothing more than a bankster-motivated ‘cult’ that set Germany up yet again to be subsequently pillaged to its core (among many other nations thanks to the banksters)-

            “it is simply not true that Germany was economically and technically superior to, say, France before WWI”- yes it was- that’s why it had to be brought down a peg or two- read true history and not the crap we’ve been taught in our bogus educational school systems- if Germany was not econimically superior to GB & F before WW1 how could the’ve possibly had the funds to finance the greatest navy armada known to mankind at its time?-

            if you really believe Giscard d’Estaing or Francois Mitterand sold France down the river to whatever belief system you choose to believe you might want to start with Jean Monnet, the father of the European Union; now HE was the traitor and not d’Estaing or Mitterand or the lesser shills like Sarkozy or present dip-shit Hollande-

            forget the “Vichy” concept- was just another pawn on a game of much larger scope

          • Urr12 on September 2, 2013 at 1:57 pm

            Then, again I’m sorry but you’d have to definitely include German finance and business also within the bankster /corporate evil ring… unless every dollar, cent, stock, bond and ounce of gold the nazis stole all over Europe had been accounted for and returned to their rightful owners, which clearly hasn’t been the case…

            I didn’t mention Monnet because everybody does, mostly for good, he has been all but canonized. For my indoctrinated generation he was a “founding father” of Europe – with Robert Schumann whose WWII credentials, at least, are not in question. Any “dirt” you have about Monnet I’m interested. I read once, but forgot to save the page, that he was in Latin America at one point during WWII engaged in activities suspicious enough to put the FBI on his case. All the same, the cases of Mitterrand and d’Estaing should be questioned, if only because French journalists and historians have no balls and haven’t done it to the extent necessary. Picture young d’Estaing, with a bunch nazis regular guests at the family home… fortunately daddy was powerful and people like him had been so many the first De Gaulle government did not go after him… where do young d’Estaing’s loyalties lay? De Gaulle did not like him, he just had no choice but to appoint him prime minister in 72. In 72, Flora Lewis of the New York Times wrote about the persistent unease in France due to the fact that German economic domination had never been put an end to after WWII. Do you think that d’Estaing, elected in 74 did anything to change that?

            As to Mitterrand, De Gaulle said of him that he was a ghost come “from the depths of collaboration”. Some have conjectured his loyalties remained with Germany all along… there is no proof of this – truth never sees the light of day in France, not to a tenth of the extent it does in the US – but the funny thing is, I remember as a kid my great uncles, all high-level Resistance actors, some of whom had known De Gaulle, Leclerc and such people, and my grandma (grandpa had been killed) stating just the same thing… they considered Mitterrand, to put it bluntly, a scumbag… yet a majority of the French consider him a good president, imagine that… regardless of how evil some bankers may be, they are not a different species than politicians or the rest of us… politicians are not helpless toys of fate or god-like bankers, they are accountable and do not deserve to be exonerated…

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