SOMETHING WICKED THIS WAY CAME – PART III
(The following blog is by regular reader and contributor, Ms. Kelly M. Thanks Kelly!)
This author is very appreciative of the many fine comments, links, propositions and theories shared with respect to the first two blogs with the above title. The premises for continuing our discussion are reports of a discovery of a layer of platinum from the comments to Part II. So let’s take the debate a little deeper.
The argument of the pro-comet faction is that the platinum (Pt) is evidence only of a cometary impact. I asked Dr. LaViolette about the evidence of a rise in platinum in the ice cores. Dr. LaViolette informed me that:
“The [platinum] peak increases gradually and drops off abruptly. This is exactly opposite to what you would expect for an impact. This is probably one reason Petaev suggested this to be dust of unusual composition that had entered our stratosphere (and not an impacting body). For Moore et al. Besides, the date of this peak lies 30 years prior to the burning episode that the comet theorists usually refer to for the catastrophe date. [emphasis mine].
Petaev does acknowledge one study that seems to support the comet impact scenario, the paper by Bunch et al., so that option may not be entirely dead.”
A lot of work has been done since his Earth under Fire was published in 1997. In particular, the researchers have continued to develop new research to see if they can “fill the histogram” with more data to further differentially diagnose the scenario.
Dr. LaViolette has contended that bursts of proton radiation from the sun that were able to penetrate to the surface of the Earth en masse. These events are called Solar Proton Events (SPE).
Dr. LaViolette thinks that solar proton storms occurred that were 125 times worse than the baseline event in 1956. The pre-Younger-Dryas solar proton storm produced surface radiation of three Sieverts (3S/hr) over a period of 50 hours, which is a deadly dose to any large animal so exposed on the surface. This event would have been highly problematic. Would it not be a frightening thing if periodically the sun burns through the atmosphere and delivers a lethal dose of proton radiation for more than two days?
Such an SPE would have led to a massive but incomplete extinction, which is what we see. The fauna began disappearing before the Younger Dryas. The following quotes are from his paper on the Startburst Foundation website:
“There is a question as to whether the megafaunal extinction was progressive, perhaps lasting several millennia, or whether it occurred all at once in a single catastrophic event. Meltzer and Mead (1985) have suggested that it progressed over several thousand years with most of the extinct megafauna disappearing at or prior to 11,000±100 14C years BP, or at or prior to 12,910±100 cal yrs BP in the Cariaco Basin chronology.”
Speaking metrologically, in addition to the overall extinction rate, the end of the Clovis people continues to be tightened up. It looks as though the Clovians culture ended before the YD, which is more consistent with an GW/SPE than a strike during the YD, a logical impossibility for the “comet during the glacier" theory.
“The Clovis cut-off date has been placed between 10,900 and 10,800 14C years BP (Meltzer, 2004; Waters and Stafford, 2007). This is equivalent to the interval between 12,880 to 12,840 cal yrs BP in the Cariaco Basin chronology. Hence the Clovis culture end date immediately precedes the date of the proposed solar event.”
Lastly, he pins the overall extinction directly on a Solar Proton Event (SPE).
“Based on all of the above boundary dates (Rancholabrean, Clovis, and black mat), it is reasonable to place the abrupt termination of the Pleistocene megafauna as having occurred sometime within the first 200 years of the YD onset, or somewhere in the range of 12,950 to 12,750 calendar years BP in the Cariaco Basin chronology. Hence from a chronological standpoint, the proposed 12,837 cal yrs BP solar proton event proves to be a good candidate as being the final cause of the megafaunal demise.”
But how do we distinguish a cometary impact from a Galactic SuperWave/SPE?
“The proposed solar proton event hypothesis, like the comet impact/explosion scenario of Firestone, et al. (2007), is compatible with the occurrence of a single main catastrophic event. But, unlike the solitary-event comet scenario, the solar hypothesis also allows the possibility of the occurrence of multiple hazardous events of varying magnitude, as suggested by the presence of multiple 14C spurts seen.”
Unpacking this, the GW/SPE hypothesis is supported by multiple Carbon-14 increases in the ice cores. In layman’s terms, this means radiation striking carbon and adding two neutrons, making it radioactive, which cannot be explained by a comet. Further, things got so very acidic in the ice cores that snow would make a perfect salad dressing component for your next lunch at Spago:
“On the basis of the transferred Cariaco Basin chronology, it dates at 12,837±10 cal yrs BP, hence indicating that very acidic snows were being deposited around the time of the hypothesized 12,837 cal yrs BP super SPE. The snows falling at the time of this event were so highly acidic that they increased the electrical conductivity of the ice 1000 fold compared with background conductivity levels prevailing before the event. Highly acidic snows would be an expected outcome if, as suggested earlier, the atmosphere had been exposed to a high flux of cosmic rays during a large magnitude solar proton event.
“Nitrate ions are produced when the atmosphere is exposed to cosmic rays. Hence nitrate ion concentration spikes serve as good indicators of SPEs. McCracken et al. (2001a, 2001b) have found that nitrate ion concentration spikes registered in the polar ice record during the period 1561 to 1950 correlate with major historical SPEs and that impulsive nitrate events serve as reliable indicators of large fluence SPEs. The 12,837 yrs BP ECM spike is seen to be associated with high nitrate ion concentrations in the GISP2 ice record, where the nitrate values plot 10 cm sample increments (Yang, et al, 1995); see figure 5. The 200 ppb peak visible here is the highest nitrate level to occur during the entire Younger Dryas period, supporting the present suggestion that the 12,837 yrs BP acidity peak records the occurrence of a very large magnitude cosmic ray event.”
Dr. LaViolette, in a private correspondence stated further:
“Its main problem is that a comet impact would produce a huge nitric oxide peak in the polar ice record and no peak that large is seen. Also all their findings of platinum group elements near the extinction boundary can be interpreted as being due to cosmic dust injected into the stratosphere from the dust sheath. I discuss this in my 2011 paper, which proposes a solar flare cause for the mass extinction event. Also the Starburstfound.org cite has a paper I have written about the 22 flaws of the Firestone comet impact theory.”
One curiosity this author carries with respect to the comet vs. superwave “debate” is that the theories are not mutually exclusive technically. It is possible, in a “both/and” perspective rather than an “either/or” that multiple events took place. The Carolina lakes evidence is the closest we have in my view but the measurement of when and how, the lakes, which stretch from the seaboard to Texas, came to be and the metrology for determining when and how is still tentative.
Since the events of the YD are within human memory, why can’t we remember it more accurately? Well, we do, in all the sacred scriptures from around the world. Even Plato took on the topic:
“The fact is, that wherever the extremity of winter frost or of summer does not prevent, mankind exist, sometimes in greater, sometimes in lesser numbers. And whatever happened either in your country or in ours, or in any other region of which we are informed-if there were any actions noble or great or in any other way remarkable, they have all been written down by us of old, and are preserved in our temples. Whereas just when you and other nations are beginning to be provided with letters and the other requisites of civilized life, after the usual interval, the stream from heaven, like a pestilence, comes pouring down, and leaves only those of you who are destitute of letters and education; and so you have to begin all over again like children, and know nothing of what happened in ancient times, either among us or among yourselves. As for those genealogies of yours, which you just now recounted to us, Solon, they are no better than the tales of children. In the first place you remember a single deluge only, but there were many previous ones; in the next place, you do not know that there formerly dwelt in your land the fairest and noblest race of men which ever lived, and that you and your whole city are descended from a small seed or remnant of them which survived.” Plato, Timaeus, (Critias, speaking) [Emphasis mine.]
Plato describes pestilential events that periodically rain down from heaven that make Earth beings forget the past, like children, forcing the ancients to record their wisdom in stone. The GSW/SPE fits the bill nicely. Putting the entire earth inside a proton accelerator would affect the minds, the memories, with radiation damage, like this poor Russian.
Dr. LaViolette’s position is that the comet theory does not hold up under the data. That’s a well-reasoned view. There are just too many events and mix of data to pin this down to a comet or asteroid strike. And as Dr. LaViolette would likely agree, the comet researchers seem to grasp onto any data that on the surface supports their theory while not addressing the fact that the data actually undermines it. Sarcastically, only Department of Education “experts” could support such a math. It comes down to politics.
Why does not Dr. LaViolette’s theory get the scientific attention it deserves? When we remember Dr. Carol Rosen’s recounting of her discussion with Dr. Werner Von Braun, the one where he laughingly told her that it would go from nations of concern, to terrorists, to asteroids, to aliens, one can understand why the superwave theory does not get attention it clearly deserves. It does not fit the playlist of narratives that drive the meta agenda.
Additionally, the global effort to undermine the cultural significance of historical scripture, tablets, and scrolls, in order to create a collective amnesia perforce to turn the ground for a single world replacement religion, which is intended to provide an ersatz “spiritual” pillar to the globalist collective system, makes it perfectly clear why science that rigorously tips its hat to textual evidence would get the cold shoulder. Work like Joseph Farrell’s Cosmic War and the work of Paul LaViolette provides a jolt of scientific credibility to scripture, which of course will just not do.
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Kelly, you are costing me money (grin). I have not been able to get the supernova vs galactic center arguments out of my mind, and so just ordered Firestone’s, et al, “Cosmic Catastrophies” and Paul LaViolette’s “Earth Under Fire.” I will read or re-read them and compare/contrast what they have to say. At the least, LaViolette should provide alternative ‘data’ to be put into my mind’s storehouse.
While mulling LaViolette’s ‘galactic eruptions’ around, I remembered old discussions about White Holes. WHs were the putative opposites of Black Holes, spewing-out vaporized matter/energy ‘ingested’ into the BHs. This was accomplished by Kalusa-Klein wormholes that formed as BHs formed, and ‘linked up’ into some weak-point or exit-area to return to our Universe. Kind of a cosmic preservation-of-energy or recycling-of-energy/matter into productive forms.
(John Gribbin wrote about WHs in “Unveiling the Edge of Time: Black Holes, White Holes, Worm Holes” in 1994. He was quickly shut down, and all reference to WHs was ‘banned’ from scientific discourse. Perhaps suspiciously so…)
Where this gets interesting is WHs as an ‘energy source’ for LaViolette’s galactic center happenings. If some presently-unknown process ‘inverts’ a BH into a WH for an energy ‘burp’, we have a plausible source for emission of energy from the galactic center. LaViolette’s case gets a lot stronger…
Goshawks has made an excellent post and I concur in all, especially about disputing a 30 year ‘anomaly’ in core samples — seriously, that’s ridiculous and more worthy of mainstream academics fighting tooth and nail to preserve their outdated paradigms.
The Carolina Bays however, have been repeatedly dated to around 100k years ago and since there was no comet impact then, the best theory is that they were created by prevailing winds from the Midwest blowing over sandy, desertified lowlands, scooping out all these parallel-oriented divots.
More broadly though, I think it is well worth stepping back a few steps from this debate and turning toward what our ancestors reported, brought down to us in myth. Universally, there was a Great Flood, or Deluge (and this is exactly what Solon references in Plato’s Timaeus; the citation is used misleadingly and out of context; the next sentence makes the deluge reference explicit). Also, there is a great fear of comets, wandering dragons in the sky, fire from above, etc.
Well, 2+2=4. And this is why we have such effort put into building astronomical observatories made of massive, enduring monolithic stones. Of course the quackademics want you to think Gobekli Tepe, Stonehenge, Giza, etc. are all ceremonial sites first and foremost, because they simply cannot see how impressive the engineering and astronomical knowledge is that underlies these structures, and so attribute to their builders their own ignorance. Lacking imagination, they think that everything was built so as to hold primitive religious ceremonies. Academia has been so infused with 19th century Christian beliefs (the world is only ~7000 years old, because it says so in the Bible) that this date became and still today remains the inviolable origin point for the onset of civilization, and this mentality pervades all these disciplines, making a bad joke of traditional anthropology and archeology.
Liked your point on the Great Flood of Christianity upon the word[All that is written/even in the 21st century.].
Basta, thanks. I will have to do more digging on the age of the Carolina Bays. For now, this is pulled from the Firestone, et al, paper that kicked-off the original comet-impact frenzy:
“Evidence for an extraterrestrial impact 12,900 years ago that contributed to the megafaunal extinctions and the Younger Dryas cooling” by Firestone, et al. (2007)
From Abstract: “In this paper, we provide evidence for an extraterrestrial (ET) impact event at ~12.9 ka, which we hypothesize caused abrupt environmental changes that contributed to YD [Younger Dryas] cooling, major ecological reorganization, broad-scale extinctions, and rapid human behavioral shifts at the end of the Clovis Period. Clovis-age sites in North American are overlain by a thin, discrete layer with varying peak abundances of (i) magnetic grains with iridium, (ii) magnetic microspherules, (iii) charcoal, (iv) soot, (v) carbon spherules, (vi) glass-like carbon containing nanodiamonds, and (vii) fullerenes with ET helium, all of which are evidence for an ET impact and associated biomass burning at ~12.9 ka. This layer also extends throughout at least 15 Carolina Bays, which are unique, elliptical depressions, oriented to the northwest across the Atlantic Coastal Plain.”
p.2: “The other sample sites were in and around 15 Carolina Bays, a group of ~500,000 elliptical lakes, wetlands, and depressions that are up to ~10 km long and located on the Atlantic Coastal Plain We sampled these sites because Melton, Schriever (20), and Prouty (21) proposed linking them to an ET impact in northern North America. However, some Bay dates are reported to be ~38 ka (22), older than the proposed date for the YD event.”
p.4: “The YDB [Younger Dryas boundary] at the 10 Clovis- and equivalent-age sites has been well dated to ~12.9 ka, but the reported ages of the Carolina Bays vary. However, the sediment from 15 Carolina Bays studied contain peaks in the same markers (magnetic grains, microspherules, Ir, charcoal, carbon spherules, and glass-like carbon) as in the YDB at the nearby Topper Clovis site, where this assemblage was observed only in the YDB in sediments dating back ~55 ka. Therefore, it appears that the Bay markers are identical to those found elsewhere in the YDB layers that date to 12.9 ka. Although the Bays have long been proposed as impact features, they have remained controversial, in part because of a perceived absence of ET-related materials. Although we now report that Bay sediments contain impact-related markers, we cannot yet determine whether any Bays were or were not formed by the YD event.”
p.5: “In addition, high concentrations of U and Th were found in the YDB sediment at six of six Clovis-age sites analyzed and in four of four Bays with a paleosol, just as were found in the impact layers at Chesapeake Bay (38) and the K/T (45).”
(I will try to get the Firestone, et al, book from the local library to see if it has more details on the dating of the Carolina Bays…)
it all seems more plausible as we throw in plasma (electric universe) twists to phenomena we recognize. the timing matches. so do the potential resultant compounds and elements from plasma reactions.
re: the mod. robert, vomito, gosh, probly the most frustrating aspect is intended – the randomness. sop straight outta some of the psy-torture shock doctrine manuals. reminds me. anyone here think of a manner to help out demonitized youtube channels?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uKEd-0ITuJ4&feature=em-uploademail
aaron and melissa have done admirable work so far. wonder where we can all migrate to when google tries demonetizing jpf et al. or if aaron and melissa might learn a valuable lesson from gds. synchronous too that melissa’s commentary on yt’s financial rewards to clearly child abusing parents on the daddy o five channel reminded me of some of the mod issues danial is trying to deal with here.
on top of all that – an idea has always run through my head since before i could glom the idea of synchronous thoughts. it’s always been about the bits of truth that glimmer up through all sorts of comments, ideas, verbage from all sources. some of those sources profess to profound grace some just junk we hear around, some from everywhere. for example – the meek shall inherit the eart.
perhaps this happens everyday in a zillion little ways. perhaps this happens every 13 millenia (or so) in relatively big – extinction level events too. perhaps the crazy junk that the saturnelian death worshippers drum up every so often overtly and covertly gets smacked down by one of these proton events just as every so often.
btw, if the sun is a capicitor from plasma energy coming from a larger power source – say a much larger star at the core of this galaxy and the sun passes out the collected plasma energy to her solar system full of smaller stars of various ages and forms,…. what might the sun do during times of such gamma and proton bursts from outta town? like from outside the solar system from another star?
and also btw, the moon does not appear so artificial even though it has amazing properties (400 times smaller than the sun and 400 times closer so they match in visible size from earth, rotating and orbiting the earth at just the right speeds so that only one side of the moon is seen from earth,…). it’s less odd when viewed in electric universe theory as simply a phase locked electrically connected part of solar system most closely connected electrically to earth – a very electrically cored earth.
wow. not modded.
ZDB, good comment (and congratulations on not being modded). As far as synchronous thoughts, we are all connected. A hive mind, even if subconscious so we can be ‘individuals’. When we have a ‘need’ for some info or enlightenment, that hive mind pops-up the response in some manner. I note it all the time. Fascinating. (We beat the Borg: We are ALREADY assimilated…)
“What might the sun do during times of such gamma and proton bursts from outta town? Like from outside the solar system from another star?”
Interesting, because Betelgeuse – the red supergiant in Orion’s shoulder – could go supernova at any time. Since it is 640 light-years away, it may have already done so, and we won’t know it until the light arrives. For that matter, is everything lightspeed-limited, or could our Sun ‘know’ the moment Betelgeuse imploded/exploded? And would there be any ‘reaction’?
Half-seriously, our Moon is a disabled Berserker ship. You can see the enormous damage that it has taken, leaving it barely able to limp into Earth-orbit. Makes you wonder: WHO did that damage? See Fred Saberhagen’s novels for further details…
Interesting.
Perhaps Alice should take a pass -through the electric universe plasma-glassed mirror?
While these gamma ray bursts and solar proton storms may be bad for humanity, they may be even worse for robots and AI. What if they are what save human beings from a machine takeover? Perhaps they may even dislodge synthetic DNA from our body when the time comes? We may one day embrace these galactic electromagnetic temper tantrums as a godsend… and they very well could be. I am currently preparing my DNA to absorb gamma ray and proton bombardment. It is very simple and can be accomplished with a few morning affirmations while watching your favorite morning gab fest like “the View.” Now those are some people I would like to see locked inside a runaway particle accelerator.
Too bad “they” can’t break-out of they’re valley-girl mental straightjackets?
I’m really fed fed up with this so-called moderation.
It’s get real, and be moderated.
Or, go along with the pack & get inked.
My first comment was real, thus moderated.
No doubt many of you have had the displeasure of being moderated. I make a big stink at times. Goshawks is more a gentleman about it. Absolutely loved VB’s comments on it!
It jus goes with the territory…
A Temporary Tombstone, territory.
[all the above are my ranting words]
RB, I only appear gentlemanly. You just do not see me jumping up & down and cussing, before I record the modding… *grin*
However, I’ve still got hair.
I’m sorry the bot is so vigilant toward your comments Robert. I guess you can take some pride in being such a dangerous thought criminal… despite how frustrating it can be. Please persevere and keep the comments coming. I’m sure I can speak for everybody here: they are much appreciated.
Indeed.
I regard it as the Chinese firewall the Western press has reiterated about in the past?
Whatever chicanery the West is engaged in they accuse the Chinese of. So when I read about what the West said in derogatory script about the Chinese internet, I knew what to expect here. Sadly, the “reverse projection” techniques are spot-on.
Or, Russia, or North Koreas, or u-name-bad-actor.
Persnickety mods are one thing, but THIS thought criminal has a real head-scratcher for you…we had to call the cable/internet company out, because our cable was cut. Again. And I’m talking about the cable that is strung with the power lines, 20 feet off the ground. Not chewed, not lightning-struck, but CUT.
I can only conclude it is one of three things: 1) rats with pocketknives; 2) Vladimir Putin; or 3) …and this is the REALLY scary one: it was my alter ego, who looks suspiciously like Brad Pitt’s character in “Fight Club”, that did it.
First off, I can’t help but think in current terms of Geoengineering taking place, as we speak – surreptitiously.
So, whose to say this geoengineering has not, but been, a reocurring event?
Our Moon is vital in the history of life [as we know it]; yet, for all intents & purposes, it is an artificial satellite. So is the solar system itself an extremely advanced construct? thus, these “accidents” of comets, Gamma Waves, sunbursts, etc., another recipe for ‘they’re version of “disaster capitalism”?
Many things to reply-to here; I can only respond to a few:
“The proposed solar proton event hypothesis, like the comet impact/explosion scenario of Firestone, et al. (2007), is compatible with the occurrence of a single main catastrophic event. But, unlike the solitary-event comet scenario, the solar hypothesis also allows the possibility of the occurrence of multiple hazardous events of varying magnitude, as suggested by the presence of multiple 14C spurts seen.”
Ever since I saw a ‘map’ of our Sun existing within a supernova-remnant bubble, I have been curious about what that implied for our solar system. Firestone, et al, hypothesize that a relatively-close star (they suspect Geminga) went supernova. They separate the ‘catastrophe’ out into three segments: an intense gamma-ray-flash arriving first (traveling at the speed of light), whatever supernova-debris looks-like arriving tens of thousands of years later (strung-out at sub-light speeds), and the debris-wave causing minor-to-major changes in the orbits of Kuiper Belt and Oort Cloud objects at the outer-edge of our solar system (eventually intersecting other objects, including the Earth & Moon). So, their scenario could accommodate “multiple hazardous events” as well as any “progressive megafaunal extinction” by one causation-event (the supernova), with the comet strike only being the last ‘arrival’…
“The pre-Younger-Dryas solar proton storm produced surface radiation of three Sieverts (3S/hr) over a period of 50 hours, which is a deadly dose to any large animal so exposed on the surface.”
Firestone, et al, propose that the intense gamma-ray-flash from the supernova may have caused “a deadly dose to any large animal so exposed on the surface” (or at least a badly-debilitating dose). Unlike the quote, the flash would have lasted at most a few minutes (and produced who-knows-what by-products in the atmosphere and at the surface). These two sources produce distinctly-different scenarios as far as Earth-coverage. Fifty hours is enough to irradiate the whole Earth as it rotates for two days. ‘Coverage’ should be semi-global. A gamma-ray-flash would ‘beam’ only one hemisphere of the Earth; the one facing the star. Megafaunal extinction occurred only in the northern hemisphere; that is why we still have elephants and giraffes. This would fit with a minutes-long ‘beaming’ of one half (note; not the sunlit half) rather than a two-day-long overall exposure…
“…the date of this [platinum] peak lies 30 years prior to the burning episode that the comet theorists usually refer to for the catastrophe date.”
This is well-within any uncertainties or ‘error bars’ of the evidence. We are talking about uncertainties of a hundred or more years here, in general.
“Additionally, the global effort to undermine the cultural significance of historical scripture, tablets, and scrolls, in order to create a collective amnesia…”
Firestone, et al, include a large number of contemporaneous ‘myths/stories’ (mostly Native American) in their book. Reading them carefully, the survivors’ tales are of a massive, physical occurrence, not ‘sunburn’. The devastating, ‘splat-like’ effects that originated the Carolina Bays could easily be inferred to be the cause…
“Sarcastically, only Department of Education ‘experts’ could support such a [comet-related] math. It comes down to politics.”
This is a cheap shot. The comet researchers are WAY outside the Establishment view of things, and have paid the price in savage attacks BY establishment hacks and refusal of top-down-controlled funding to do exploratory research. What research they have done is essentially ‘on their own’ and by forming loose alliances with other REAL scientists. They have done well, considering…
All in all, thank you KM for dredging-up the additional info through Dr. LaViolette. An overwhelming amount of data/theory needs to be waded-through before arriving at any conclusion(s).
(Then again, the ‘comet’ could have been finally-arriving Tiamat material, rather than something ‘native’ to the Kuiper Belt or Oort Cloud areas. A concept that tinfoil-hat types would entertain. *grin*)
Great commentary; thank you.
Shouldn’t this ‘comet vs. superwave debate” be more correctly labeled :
” meteorite impact vs superwave” ?
The currently dominant comet theory avers (to the chagrin of plasma universe theorists) that comets are mostly dirty snow balls which could not deliver the mineral payloads discussed in the platinum anomaly…
Just wondering …
This might explain why our species were created to preserve the biosphere of this planet. This would go a long way to proving we were and are not a mistake of nature. We are a vital part of preserving life on this planet and that this purpose has been perverted by forces of death and destruction. I wonder who these death dealers real agenda and what evil masters do they serve.
Comets were harbingers of doom in the ancient world. The material I’ve read, suggests they dragged meteors out of the Asteroid belt on their orbit of the sun.. These events occur ~every 2k to 3k years and were chronicled in ancient lore.. The most interesting article of late was a reference to Gobekli Tepe and the asteroid strike possibly carved in stone @ ~ 10.5k years ago… Thanks to the $11.5T MIA from DOD. The Secret Space Program / Break Away Civ that has been so brilliantly chronicled here , IMHO possess the capability to shield or bombard the Earth w/ asteroids at will..